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Quote (excellence @ Aug 10 2020 09:42am)
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the era of online learning has peaceful protester educators fearing that parents and family of the children they teach may hear what is taught in school :wacko:


Is there anything about what he said that is unreasonable?

Their goal is to make good citizens. Good citizens respect the identity of others.


Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 10 2020 03:23pm)
Another right-wing "conspiracy" turns out to be just as advertised.


Racism begins at home and its a disease Parents love to spread to their kids. Teaching your kids to be racist or homophobic is abusive.

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Another right-wing "conspiracy" turns out to be just as advertised.


ayup and look at the two privileged lefties in this thread ranting about it

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Parents have their place in their kids education, but they also have places they don't belong. If you want to break down cultural barriers and teach kids things that their culture doesn't like then the presence of parents are detrimental.

If you were trying to teach evolution in Alabama, do you really want parents in your classroom? Probably not, they'd get upset, muddy the waters, encourage dissent, etc. etc.

The separation from parents is a key feature of schools that allows for breaking down some cultural barriers and allows real discussion. It also encourages kids to be independent and take their education into their own hands before they're thrown to the wolves in college with balancing work and learning.


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Is there anything about what he said that is unreasonable?

Their goal is to make good citizens. Good citizens respect the identity of others.




Racism begins at home and its a disease Parents love to spread to their kids. Teaching your kids to be racist or homophobic is abusive.

this peaceful protester seems more concerned with his feelings than the education of the students he is supposed to facilitate. this peaceful protester and you two would have the classics, math, science, and enlightenment authors banned because that’s all associated with “old white men of power”

just because you two are from racist pale pasty privileged lefty families (which shows in your posts here) doesnt mean all other children are
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the era of online learning has peaceful protester educators fearing that parents and family of the children they teach may hear what is taught in school :wacko:


This doesn't concern me. If the parents want to teach something contradictory to the teacher, that's their prerogative. Just don't do it on the teacher's time.
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Aug 10 2020 02:53pm
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ayup and look at the two privileged lefties in this thread ranting about it




this peaceful protester seems more concerned with his feelings than the education of the students he is supposed to facilitate. this peaceful protester and you two would have the classics, math, science, and enlightenment authors banned because that’s all associated with “old white men of power”

just because you two are from racist pale pasty privileged lefty families (which shows in your posts here) doesnt mean all other children are


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Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Aug 2020 21:33)
Parents have their place in their kids education, but they also have places they don't belong. If you want to break down cultural barriers and teach kids things that their culture doesn't like then the presence of parents are detrimental.

If you were trying to teach evolution in Alabama, do you really want parents in your classroom? Probably not, they'd get upset, muddy the waters, encourage dissent, etc. etc.

The separation from parents is a key feature of schools that allows for breaking down some cultural barriers and allows real discussion. It also encourages kids to be independent and take their education into their own hands before they're thrown to the wolves in college with balancing work and learning.


Agreed. I still think, however, that this is largely a partisan issue.

Assume for a moment that the roles were revered, that we were living in a world where teachers, lecturers and professors are mostly reactionary conservatives instead of predominantly being staunch liberals. If schools were teaching creationism and all around bigotry, and the reactionary teaching staff wanted to shut out liberal parents from their classes, would you really still argue the same way? Would you still argue that students should be separated from their parents to break down cultural barriers and be able to be taught things their families/culture dont like?

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Agreed. I still think, however, that this is largely a partisan issue.

Assume for a moment that the roles were revered, that we were living in a world where teachers, lecturers and professors are mostly reactionary conservatives instead of predominantly being staunch liberals. If schools were teaching creationism and all around bigotry, and the reactionary teaching staff wanted to shut out liberal parents from their classes, would you really still argue the same way? Would you still argue that students should be separated from their parents to break down cultural barriers and be able to be taught things their families/culture dont like?


Most teachers aren't staunch liberals. That's a ridiculous stereotype that the right loves to parrot so they can demonize education.

If the subject is a) factually accurate and b) opposed to the culture, then parents wouldn't really belong. In your proposed world it fails on a, because the reactionary conservative stuff is just wrong on a factual basis if you're referencing the kind of thing I think you're referencing. If they were talking about vaccines and teaching that they are undeniably a great thing, and the parents were staunch lefties that believed in crystal healing, then yes, I would think the same way.

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Agreed. I still think, however, that this is largely a partisan issue.

Assume for a moment that the roles were revered, that we were living in a world where teachers, lecturers and professors are mostly reactionary conservatives instead of predominantly being staunch liberals. If schools were teaching creationism and all around bigotry, and the reactionary teaching staff wanted to shut out liberal parents from their classes, would you really still argue the same way? Would you still argue that students should be separated from their parents to break down cultural barriers and be able to be taught things their families/culture dont like?


do you have ANY evidence to back that claim up? sounds like you get your world views straight from branco cartoons...
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do you have ANY evidence to back that claim up? sounds like you get your world views straight from branco cartoons...


The National Education Association, the largest labor union from the education sector in the US with over 2 million members, almost exclusively supports Democrats, is actively involved in the selection of Democratic nominees and about 97% of the political donations from their members go to Democrats.They have endorsed every Democratic candidate for president from Carter to Biden, and never endorsed a Republican. [1]

The American Federation of Teachers, the second largest such union in the US with over 1.7 million members, similarly endorses the Democratic candidate in presidential elections; 95% of the campaign donations by their members go to Democrats. [2]

Note that there are roughly 3.7 million teachers in the US. You do the math. [3]



[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers#Political_activities
[3] https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372



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The National Education Association, the largest labor union from the education sector in the US with over 2 million members, almost exclusively supports Democrats, is actively involved in the selection of Democratic nominees and about 97% of the political donations from their members go to Democrats.They have endorsed every Democratic candidate for president from Carter to Biden, and never endorsed a Republican. [1]

The American Federation of Teachers, the second largest such union in the US with over 1.7 million members, similarly endorses the Democratic candidate in presidential elections; 95% of the campaign donations by their members go to Democrats. [2]

Note that there are roughly 3.7 million teachers in the US. You do the math. [3]



[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Education_Association
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers#Political_activities
[3] https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=372


oh i see, and to you 'democrat' and 'staunch liberal' are simply interchangeable terms, huh? like i said, straight out of a ghot cartoon, lol.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 10 Aug 2020 23:17)
Most teachers aren't staunch liberals. That's a ridiculous stereotype that the right loves to parrot so they can demonize education.


Maybe not all of them are staunch liberals. But as a group, teachers are undeniably liberal-leaning. Staunch liberals are really not rare among the teaching staff, while staunch conservatives are.

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In your proposed world it fails on a, because the reactionary conservative stuff is just wrong on a factual basis if you're referencing the kind of thing I think you're referencing. If they were talking about vaccines and teaching that they are undeniably a great thing, and the parents were staunch lefties that believed in crystal healing, then yes, I would think the same way.


I'm thinking of stuff like "girls have dicks too", "the world will end if we dont reach net zero carbon emissions by the year 2030", "systemic racism is ubiquitous in this country" and similar stuff. To be fair, I shouldnt have mentioned something absurd like creationism.
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