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Nov 22 2023 10:13am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 22 2023 04:09pm)
Palestinians are literally children, being beaten, imprisoned, shot and killed, for throwing stones. yes yes Oct 7th can you give it a rest already. every independent observer is saying there is something wrong and your saying no no, its fine, nothing to see here.


Stop throwing stones?
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Nov 22 2023 10:15am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 22 2023 10:01am)
Bombing the living daylights out of 2.1m people will do several things:

1. set the entire world against you
2. kill alot of innocent people
3. create more people that will have a very big grudge against you
4. kill X amount of Hamas

This strategy is not sound, and how in the world is Benjamin Netanyahu still the leader of Israel when he presided over this mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO9q7KMMDKs

There are video's like this going back years and they all say the same thing.


you're making a simple mistake. you interpret "destroy hamas" to mean "kill all member of hamas", when in reality it simply means "destroy their ability to repeat october 7th, even if their ranks grow 10x".

wreck the rocket manufacturing sites and rocket launching sites. occupy long term to have swift responses to issues. create a more sound border. etc.

it doesnt matter if the hydra has 1000 heads if u strap dynomite to it's chest.
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Nov 22 2023 10:17am
Quote (ferdia @ 22 Nov 2023 18:09)
Palestinians are literally children, being beaten, imprisoned, shot and killed, for throwing stones. yes yes Oct 7th can you give it a rest already. every independent observer is saying there is something wrong and your saying no no, its fine, nothing to see here.


I didnt see any children on october 7th and I wont give it a rest they are not giving us a rest since 1929
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Nov 22 2023 10:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 22 2023 04:15pm)
you're making a simple mistake. you interpret "destroy hamas" to mean "kill all member of hamas", when in reality it simply means "destroy their ability to repeat october 7th, even if their ranks grow 10x".

wreck the rocket manufacturing sites and rocket launching sites. occupy long term to have swift responses to issues. create a more sound border. etc.

it doesnt matter if the hydra has 1000 heads if u strap dynomite to it's chest.


I don't think Israel can achieve this in all honesty. With technology advancing every day I envisage more and more deadly terrorist attacks, in new ways, all around the world (and yes, in Israel too).

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 22 2023 10:20am
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Quote (ferdia @ 22 Nov 2023 18:19)
I don't think Israel can achieve this in all honesty. With technology advancing every day I envisage more and more deadly terrorist attacks, all around the world (and yes, in Israel).


We will achieve this because we dont have other choice
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Nov 22 2023 10:21am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 22 2023 12:15pm)
you're making a simple mistake. you interpret "destroy hamas" to mean "kill all member of hamas", when in reality it simply means "destroy their ability to repeat october 7th, even if their ranks grow 10x".

wreck the rocket manufacturing sites and rocket launching sites. occupy long term to have swift responses to issues. create a more sound border. etc.

it doesnt matter if the hydra has 1000 heads if u strap dynomite to it's chest.

Destroy hamas is an idiom.
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Nov 22 2023 10:21am
Quote (Many_Names @ 22 Nov 2023 17:08)
Likud is not far right its more of center right.
The likud party wont survive next elections

Otzma leisrael is far right


From all the sources i posted in last days:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654388859
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654368732
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654296638
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654273452

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– IDF spokesperson: “The weight.” [i Gazas bombardement] is on damage and not on accuracy”.
– Former Netanyahu-appointed Israeli ambassador to Italy Dror Eydar: “For us there is only one goal: to destroy Gaza.”
– Galit Distel-Atbaryan, Likud Knesset member and former Minister of Information: “Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth.”
– Amichai Eliyahu, Minister of Jerusalem Affairs and Cultural Heritage: “Nuking Gaza is an option. Blow it up and bomb it flat”.
– Tally Gotliv, Likud Knesset member: “I urge you to do everything and use doomsday weapons fearlessly against our enemies.”
– Ariel Kallner, Likud Knesset member: “Just now has [vi] one goal: Nakba!”.
– Giora Eiland, former head of Israel’s National Security Council: “Israel must create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza… create conditions where life in Gaza becomes unsustainable… so that the entire population of Gaza will either move to Egypt or move to the Gulf”. Ultimately, Gaza must “become a place where no people can exist.”
– Israeli think tank with ties to Netanyahu: the war provides a “unique and rare opportunity” for the “relocation and final expulsion of the entire Gaza population”.
– The Israeli Ministry of Intelligence: published a “concept document” recommending the permanent transfer of the entire population of the Gaza Strip to Egypt.

Likud, Likud,...
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Nov 22 2023 10:25am
Quote (ferdia @ Nov 22 2023 10:19am)
I don't think Israel can achieve this in all honesty. With technology advancing every day I envisage more and more deadly terrorist attacks, in new ways, all around the world (and yes, in Israel too).


the end point of that logic is that Israel should evacuate all jewish citizens, move them into the USA and Europe, and give up on being a country.
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Nov 22 2023 10:27am
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 22 2023 04:20pm)
We will achieve this because we dont have other choice


You can reduce the risk, you cant remove the risk. You have to accept a degree of risk and while Israel is revising its risk tolerance it is creating future risk as each bomb drops. I accept we have conflicting views on the merits of bombing civilians and I accept you think this is the only strategy. But this is literally the definition of insanity.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 22 2023 04:25pm)
the end point of that logic is that Israel should evacuate all jewish citizens, move them into the USA and Europe, and give up on being a country.


No, they need a far superior military and they need more international partners. If that scuppers the Israeli' government plans re: apartheid dictator state, so be it.

sorry for that last part.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 22 2023 10:29am
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 22 Nov 2023 18:21)
From all the sources i posted in last days:

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654388859
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654368732
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654296638
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=102073482&f=119&p=654273452

=>

– IDF spokesperson: “The weight.” [i Gazas bombardement] is on damage and not on accuracy”.
– Former Netanyahu-appointed Israeli ambassador to Italy Dror Eydar: “For us there is only one goal: to destroy Gaza.”
– Galit Distel-Atbaryan, Likud Knesset member and former Minister of Information: “Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth.”
– Amichai Eliyahu, Minister of Jerusalem Affairs and Cultural Heritage: “Nuking Gaza is an option. Blow it up and bomb it flat”.
– Tally Gotliv, Likud Knesset member: “I urge you to do everything and use doomsday weapons fearlessly against our enemies.”
– Ariel Kallner, Likud Knesset member: “Just now has [vi] one goal: Nakba!”.
– Giora Eiland, former head of Israel’s National Security Council: “Israel must create a humanitarian crisis in Gaza… create conditions where life in Gaza becomes unsustainable… so that the entire population of Gaza will either move to Egypt or move to the Gulf”. Ultimately, Gaza must “become a place where no people can exist.”
– Israeli think tank with ties to Netanyahu: the war provides a “unique and rare opportunity” for the “relocation and final expulsion of the entire Gaza population”.
– The Israeli Ministry of Intelligence: published a “concept document” recommending the permanent transfer of the entire population of the Gaza Strip to Egypt.

Likud, Likud,...


Can you upload quotes from Hamas spokesman?
All the peaceful ones
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