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May 7 2022 11:57am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 7 2022 01:45pm)
These distractions from "Moderates" or left caviar democrats and republicans are IMO absolutely unacceptable.
Majority clearly wants a well organized universal coverage and others standards like in EU.
The american people should protest very massively and get back its country.


EU adopts social credit system?
Heard France is making movement toward it?
Can you confirm?
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May 7 2022 11:58am
Quote (Slowtoanger @ May 6 2022 10:39pm)
What I'm trying to wrap my head around is... IF RvsW gets overturned, is this guy saying that US as the entire country is going to head towards banning abortion for every state aka as a country as a whole? That's what it sounds like but maybe I'm not understanding it fully.

*I get that the stats are grim assuming that it is true.


lol? i saw some stuff that the "leak" is really only about getting the democrat voter base all riled up so they go out n vote
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May 7 2022 12:23pm
Quote (TiStuff @ May 7 2022 12:58pm)
lol? i saw some stuff that the "leak" is really only about getting the democrat voter base all riled up so they go out n vote


Quotes someone talking about the actual fallout of a potential overturning of the case.
Astroturfs about the identity of the leaker.

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May 7 2022 12:24pm
Quote (Slowtoanger @ May 7 2022 12:44pm)
Ah I see. But when it's left up to the philosophy to be the point of discussion in that question, doesn't that GIVE the room for theology to chime in and make points?

And, is that truly the prolifers stance? To fully ban even ectopic abortions? (or is that a small minority like how there are some prochoice people who would be okay with abortion all the way until birth?)

I guess I'm trying to figure out why science (more specifically biology which is the study of life for goodness sake) doesn't have much say in it.


Because they are an empirical science and you're asking a metaphysical question.
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May 7 2022 12:25pm
Quote (Slowtoanger @ May 7 2022 07:58am)
Any links that you can direct me to?


yes their are scientists and biologists weighing in on the argument but i dont pay that much attention to it so i dont have anything specific I can add.
some say a heartbeat is the beginning of human life others say brain waves.
why abortions after this or that many weeks?
try googling "heart beat abortion" and "brainwaves abortion".

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May 7 2022 12:32pm
Quote (TiStuff @ 7 May 2022 17:58)
lol? i saw some stuff that the "leak" is really only about getting the democrat voter base all riled up so they go out n vote


Could also be a gaffe of ...[...]... Virginia Thomas. :o

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May 7 2022 12:36pm
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yes their are scientists and biologists weighing in on the argument but i dont pay that much attention to it so i dont have anything specific I can add.
some say a heartbeat is the beginning of human life others say brain waves.
why abortions after this or that many weeks?
try googling "heart beat abortion" and "brainwaves abortion".


The clinical definition of death is a lack of brain activity, not a heartbeat, so it would be disingenuous to use heartbeat as the meter for the beginning of life, especially since the "heartbeat" detected in very early stages of pregnancy isn't a formed heart, but background noise from the ultrasound itself, or "electrically-induced flickering of a portion of the fetal tissue that will become the heart as the embryo develops", according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/when-are-heartbeats-audible-during-pregnancy/

This is important, considering several states have laws banning abortions after six weeks (arguments for such laws frequently include detection of a fetal heartbeat, which isn't actually present until about 9-10 weeks), and Joni Ernst is purportedly preparing to introduce a six-week federal ban soon.

https://iowastartingline.com/2022/05/05/joni-ernst-expected-to-introduce-bill-to-ban-abortion-nationally/

This post was edited by Surfpunk on May 7 2022 12:36pm
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May 7 2022 12:43pm
Science cant come to the rescue on this one
Love this debate though. Watching people argue circles and arrive nowhere after a huff and a puff.
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May 7 2022 12:45pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 7 2022 11:32am)
Could also be a gaffe of ...[...]... Virginia Thomas. :o


what u talking bout snail boi



Quote (Surfpunk @ May 7 2022 11:36am)
The clinical definition of death is a lack of brain activity, not a heartbeat, so it would be disingenuous to use heartbeat as the meter for the beginning of life, especially since the "heartbeat" detected in very early stages of pregnancy isn't a formed heart, but background noise from the ultrasound itself, or "electrically-induced flickering of a portion of the fetal tissue that will become the heart as the embryo develops", according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/when-are-heartbeats-audible-during-pregnancy/

This is important, considering several states have laws banning abortions after six weeks (arguments for such laws frequently include detection of a fetal heartbeat, which isn't actually present until about 9-10 weeks), and Joni Ernst is purportedly preparing to introduce a six-week federal ban soon.

https://iowastartingline.com/2022/05/05/joni-ernst-expected-to-introduce-bill-to-ban-abortion-nationally/


didnt read your subjective reasoning

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yes their are scientists and biologists weighing in on the argument but i dont pay that much attention to it so i dont have anything specific I can add.
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May 7 2022 12:46pm
Quote (TiStuff @ May 7 2022 01:45pm)
what u talking bout snail boi





didnt read your subjective reasoning

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yes their are scientists and biologists weighing in on the argument buti dont pay that much attention to it so i dont have anything specific I can add.


Didn't read your crying, LOL
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