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Nov 8 2022 01:17pm
Quote (Mondain @ Nov 8 2022 02:16pm)
So you agree with this statement "anyone on twitter should be allowed to impersonate staff"?


yes, and i agree with this statement too "twitter can and should ban anyone impersonating staff". isnt free speech great?
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Nov 8 2022 01:20pm
Terms of Service is a contract between the company and end user.. That's Legal.

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 8 2022 02:17pm)
yes, and i agree with this statement too "twitter can and should ban anyone impersonating staff". isnt free speech great?


This have NOTHING to do with free speech.

Back when those who you oppose (the right) were being censored on twitter;. You had no issues with it what so ever.

Now that your left wing buddies are being banned for their violations of legal contracts, now free speech is at stake...

This post was edited by Mondain on Nov 8 2022 01:20pm
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 8 2022 08:14pm)
i'm not a leftie politically. i am left handed tho.



as i have explained to you before but maybe this time it will help.

what we agree on:
1. they're impersonating Musk
2. it is to harm him
3. it's a violation of the TOS and should result in punishment in twitter

what apparently only i understand:
1. impersonation isn't the crime
2. this isn't a case of fraud (what most impersonation cases are)
3. this is defamation (rare for impersonation to be applied to defamation)
4. defamation requires you to prove an action caused X$ of damage
5. defamation requires you prove that only that person's actions caused the damage


I already said it's defamation

And my opinion is that the imposters should face legal action.

I didn't say it will happen nor did I claim anything else.

How hard is it for you that users have another opinion than you
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Nov 8 2022 01:25pm
Quote (Mondain @ Nov 8 2022 11:20am)
Terms of Service is a contract between the company and end user.. That's Legal.



This have NOTHING to do with free speech.

Back when those who you oppose (the right) were being censored on twitter;. You had no issues with it what so ever.

Now that your left wing buddies are being banned for their violations of legal contracts, now free speech is at stake...


thats not what he said.. I swear.. LOL
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Nov 8 2022 01:31pm
Quote (Mondain @ Nov 8 2022 02:20pm)
Terms of Service is a contract between the company and end user.. That's Legal.



This have NOTHING to do with free speech.

Back when those who you oppose (the right) were being censored on twitter;. You had no issues with it what so ever.

Now that your left wing buddies are being banned for their violations of legal contracts, now free speech is at stake...


i was against right winged people being banned, and i am not mad people are being banned for impersonating musk lol. you're very confused.

Quote (Djunior @ Nov 8 2022 02:20pm)
I already said it's defamation

And my opinion is that the imposters should face legal action.

I didn't say it will happen nor did I claim anything else.

How hard is it for you that users have another opinion than you


its not hard for me at all, im not confused about your position. i asked you to actually walk us through what the legal action would be and you ran for the hills. i just asked you to explain what should happen and you dodged, still dodging.
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Nov 8 2022 01:46pm
The purpose of verification is to verify that a person is actually who they say they are. It also makes it more difficult for imposters and scammers.

When someone gets verified and then pretends to be another celebrity, that undermines the purpose of verification. Its entirely reasonable for that to (continue to) be against the rules.
It is not in the same category as the widespread censorship and throttling of viewpoints and persons that are inconvenient for democrats and the government regime.

Hopefully Elon's acquisition will greatly increase free speech on twitter and the bad faith attacks and false equivocations will not undermine that too much.
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Nov 8 2022 01:49pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 8 2022 08:31pm)
i was against right winged people being banned, and i am not mad people are being banned for impersonating musk lol. you're very confused.



its not hard for me at all, im not confused about your position. i asked you to actually walk us through what the legal action would be and you ran for the hills. i just asked you to explain what should happen and you dodged, still dodging.


Not dodging at all.

A lawyer would have to define damages as always happens in defamation lawsuits.

People get ordered to pay stupid sums for hardly anything at all cuz huge damages are claimed.

How am I running for the hills? I'm still here, same opinion.

What are you looking for, lol
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Nov 8 2022 01:54pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 9 2022 06:28am)
what harm? what crime of harm is applicable for a court of law? you can impersonate anyone you want, you just can't cause them verifiable financial harm. you can't steal someone's identity to commit fraud, but u can do it for fun anytime you want.

TOS rules and court laws differ in this respect. she violated the TOS, not the law lol. calm down snowflake.


It's malice through character misrepresentation which results in defamation which leads to loss of businesses or brand reputation. You are Joe Shmo nobody so you have nothing to worry about but when you are dealing with a global personal brand (which musk is) then it becomes a a different ball game and laws definetly apply. Maybe if you stopped grifting you could be a decent human being.
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Nov 8 2022 01:56pm
Quote (Djunior @ Nov 8 2022 02:49pm)
Not dodging at all.

A lawyer would have to define damages as always happens in defamation lawsuits.

People get ordered to pay stupid sums for hardly anything at all cuz huge damages are claimed.

How am I running for the hills? I'm still here, same opinion.

What are you looking for, lol


lawyers define damages by asserting that a person's actions caused X amount of financial loss. that is not applicable in this case because no one person's actions or even a group of impersonators actions can be proven to have caused an amount of financial damage. that's what ive been telling you all along, and you came back with "ask johnny depp", where that isnt the case, which i also told you.

Quote (addone @ Nov 8 2022 02:54pm)
It's malice through character misrepresentation which results in defamation which leads to loss of businesses or brand reputation. You are Joe Shmo nobody so you have nothing to worry about but when you are dealing with a global personal brand (which musk is) then it becomes a a different ball game and laws definetly apply. Maybe if you stopped grifting you could be a decent human being.


another person who can't read well.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 8 2022 01:56pm
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Nov 8 2022 02:00pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 8 2022 08:56pm)
lawyers define damages by asserting that a person's actions caused X amount of financial loss. that is not applicable in this case because no one person's actions or even a group of impersonators actions can be proven to have caused an amount of financial damage. that's what ive been telling you all along, and you came back with "ask johnny depp", where that isnt the case, which i also told you.


Damages to one's person for example

It doesn't have to be financial damage that you can show proof of
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