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Sep 24 2019 11:23am
Quote (Brian_D @ Sep 24 2019 01:19pm)
funny how if the tables were turned you know damn well the right would be calling for Obama to be impeached.


They called for less. Same dudes making excuses for Trump hiding his taxes were calling for Obama's birth certificate.

Only low quality people are doing this though.
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Sep 24 2019 11:24am
Quote (Brian_D @ Sep 24 2019 01:19pm)
funny how if the tables were turned you know damn well the right would be calling for Obama to be impeached.




Well, just reading on reuters...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whislteblower/trump-confirms-he-held-back-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-as-controversy-swells-idUSKBN1W91OP

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n his letter, Menendez noted that the U.S. State and Defense Departments recommended and prepared to distribute in late June $391.5 million in military and security assistance to boost Ukraine’s armed forces as the country dealt with Russian aggression and sought to improve maritime security in the Black Sea.

However, weeks before Trump’s call with Zelenskiy, OMB blocked the aid, Menendez said in the letter to Mulvaney.


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Sep 24 2019 11:26am
lost in all this is the Ukraine begging for help against Russia, while also being Russia-lite. The afghans asked for help against Russia, too.
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Sep 24 2019 11:29am
Some of you are really embarrassing. Everyone needs to ask themselves the following: If it was someone other than Trump as President, would you react the same way?
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Sep 24 2019 01:26pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 24 2019 12:29pm)
Some of you are really embarrassing. Everyone needs to ask themselves the following: If it was someone other than Trump as President, would you react the same way?


if HRC was potus she'd get as much criticism (albeit from the other side of the aisle) for warmongering with Putin by providing his enemies with a massive military aid package. different criticism to be sure, but criticism all the same. If HRC did the same, and used the aid as a carrot to say investigate Rudy Guliani or some such person I think she'd get criticism as well.

it's hard to reverse the circumstances, especially when you have to factor in a complete reversal of media coverage and things like Senate member criticism for the political aisle.

the sad thing here is that "investigation" is reaching buzzword level status. we're tossing money in the trash to "investigate" things we know logically will have no fire, just smoke. investigate Kavanaugh knowing no new info will emerge. Investigate Clinton even tho she's already been cleared, and if damning evidence emerged it would be pawned off on a scapegoat. Now we're at a place where we want other countries to investigate people. shit's getting dicey, and the lawyers are licking their chops.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 24 2019 01:29pm
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Sep 24 2019 02:41pm
Trump tweeted that he's going to release the transcript of the call. Senate voted unanimously to turn over the whistle blower complaint to intel committees. Pelosi expected to announce an impeachment inquiry later today.

Obviously it won't result in removal, and I'm not sure I would even want that. Trump needs to be rejected at the ballot box.
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Sep 24 2019 02:54pm
imo impeachment would only help to repair the reputation of the democratic party, with the idea that it might take away votes from Trump. I don't think anyone really thinks impeachment will remove him from office
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Sep 24 2019 02:58pm
Announce impeachment and Trump only mentions Biden without any mention of withholding aid and you can kiss goodbye any chance at unseating Trump in 2020.

This post was edited by krackprophet on Sep 24 2019 02:59pm
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Sep 24 2019 03:03pm
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Announce impeachment and Trump only mentions Biden without any mention of withholding aid and you can kiss any chance at unseating Trump in 2020.


I don't know what the political impact of impeachment will be, but it's absurd that people create these arbitrary lines. "If Trump didn't conspire with the Russian government, nothing else uncovered matters!" Now, it's "if there wasn't an explicit quid pro quo, it doesn't matter." That's bullshit.
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Sep 24 2019 03:04pm
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imo impeachment would only help to repair the reputation of the democratic party, with the idea that it might take away votes from Trump. I don't think anyone really thinks impeachment will remove him from office


Not really

The dems would stay home because their party failed them and the GOP would vote out of pure revenge
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