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Apr 2 2016 09:18pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 2 2016 07:15pm)
example that isn't warranted?

smokers get treated worse


You think smokers suffer worse mental and emotional abuse than the overweight?

We will just have to disagree on that
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Apr 2 2016 09:21pm
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What do you mean by "hard on the circulatory system"?


Your biochemistry keeps your blood sugar at a stable level. Fast carbs turn into sugar when digested and cause an insulin response. You have glycogen reserves to store your excess sugar in your muscles and liver. After those are full you store it as fat via insulin. Insulin response will overdo the storing of blood sugar causing you to feel hungry and overeat. Excess blood sugar causes tissue damage, hence the need for the insulin response. That is why diabetics lose limbs and have poor circulation: the inability to contain excess blood sugar.
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They fail because trying to consume enough calories from vegetables will turn you into a grazing animal. You have no time to do anything but eat. I cook broccoli and Brussels sprouts in bacon grease. Fat is more dense in calories and harder to digest so it gets you your calorie fix and keeps you feeling full. Eskimos eating nothing but whale blubber had no cases of heart disease. Circulatory issues stem from fast carbs. High protein diets stress your kids which filter your blood. Inefficiencies in cleaning your blood will damage your circulatory system as well.


That's just not true. Sure, being a vegan requires a little more preparation than stopping a McDonald's for lunch. So what? People 300 years ago spent hours sometimes growing their food and preparing it. We're talking about what is the healthiest choice for your life. I think avoiding heart disease might be worth the extra time spent in the kitchen.

You cook vegetables in bacon grease. I mean, how can anyone who knows about nutrition advocate that as healthy? Do you need 5,000 calories a day to survive? I mean if you have an absurdly low appetite maybe you should keep cooking with bacon grease... or maybe smoke some weed to get the munchies.

What circulatory issues stem from fast carbs? Obviously if a vegan is on a 80/10/10 diet it's not all fast carbs. It's plenty of veggies/legumes.
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Apr 2 2016 09:26pm
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You think smokers suffer worse mental and emotional abuse than the overweight?

We will just have to disagree on that


not quite that but that smoking is stigmatized by society to a far greater degree than obesity
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Apr 2 2016 09:29pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 2 2016 07:26pm)
not quite that but that smoking is stigmatized by society to a far greater degree than obesity


boo hoo you can't fill the restaurant with smoke and people scowl at your yellow drapes

definitely similar to being shit on every single day of your life any time you leave your house
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Apr 2 2016 09:31pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 2 2016 10:29pm)
boo hoo you can't fill the restaurant with smoke and people scowl at your yellow drapes

definitely similar to being shit on every single day of your life any time you leave your house


I can understand when a city bans smoking from restaurants, but banning smoking from bars is downright blasphemous.
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Your biochemistry keeps your blood sugar at a stable level. Fast carbs turn into sugar when digested and cause an insulin response. You have glycogen reserves to store your excess sugar in your muscles and liver. After those are full you store it as fat via insulin. Insulin response will overdo the storing of blood sugar causing you to feel hungry and overeat. Excess blood sugar causes tissue damage, hence the need for the insulin response. That is why diabetics lose limbs and have poor circulation: the inability to contain excess blood sugar.


I know the biochemistry of these processes pretty in-depth. My graduate biochemistry course focused exclusively on these pathways for 3 out of 4 months. None of what you posted supports that high blood sugar concentration is hard on the circulatory system. From what I've read only certain organs have issues dealing with excess blood sugar such as the brain, nerves, pancreas, etc. Primarily body parts that specifically regulate blood sugar (pancreas, liver), or are excessively glucose-hungry (nerves). I'm not saying it isn't, but you haven't explained how it's hard on the circulatory system.

I did some googling and it turns out to be a bit complicated.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080313124430.htm
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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 3 2016 03:25am)
That's just not true. Sure, being a vegan requires a little more preparation than stopping a McDonald's for lunch. So what? People 300 years ago spent hours sometimes growing their food and preparing it. We're talking about what is the healthiest choice for your life. I think avoiding heart disease might be worth the extra time spent in the kitchen.

You cook vegetables in bacon grease. I mean, how can anyone who knows about nutrition advocate that as healthy? Do you need 5,000 calories a day to survive? I mean if you have an absurdly low appetite maybe you should keep cooking with bacon grease... or maybe smoke some weed to get the munchies.

What circulatory issues stem from fast carbs? Obviously if a vegan is on a 80/10/10 diet it's not all fast carbs. It's plenty of veggies/legumes.


Heart disease. Obesity. Circulation issues. Diabeties.

If you eat a bunch of pasta and fill your glycogen reserves repeatedly you are abusing your pancreas. Diabetics lose their eyesight and toes and stuff because of extended periods of time with excess blood sugar. Tell me how you get to 1800-2000 calories without the use of carbs? Certainly nuts could do the trick. But eating your required caloric intake on vegetables alone is very hard. And consuming the wrong kind of carbs is putting your health at risk. Eskimos that subsist on whale blubber, aka fat, had zero issues with heart disease.
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Apr 2 2016 09:36pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Apr 2 2016 10:29pm)
boo hoo you can't fill the restaurant with smoke and people scowl at your yellow drapes

definitely similar to being shit on every single day of your life any time you leave your house


if they faced the equivalent of what smokers face we would be being telling them to go outside to designated over eating areas with other members of their kind

you still haven't given an example of the kind of treatment these people get that isn't warranted
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Apr 2 2016 09:37pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 3 2016 03:32am)
I know the biochemistry of these processes pretty in-depth. My graduate biochemistry course focused exclusively on these pathways for 3 out of 4 months. None of what you posted supports that high blood sugar concentration is hard on the circulatory system. From what I've read only certain organs have issues dealing with excess blood sugar such as the brain, nerves, pancreas, etc. Primarily body parts that specifically regulate blood sugar (pancreas, liver), or are excessively glucose-hungry (nerves). I'm not saying it isn't, but you haven't explained how it's hard on the circulatory system.

I did some googling and it turns out to be a bit complicated.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080313124430.htm


Are you agreeing with me or what? I'm confused.
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