Yet without God, we would strive to do evil and never to good. We can understand good and evil but we would hardly ever do good.
You cannot love your enemies without hearing about Jesus. Explain to me how you can do that hmmm?



Look where trying to play the role of God got us.

let me assume for one moment that you actually meant 'believing in' rather than 'hearing about'
then i can answer your question with: because that person believes in loving one's enemies without being a christian, could be buddhist or baha'i or a few other religions as well

just because you need your religion to keep you away from crime and doing evil doesn't mean the same applies to everyone
voltaire must have thought of people like you when he stated 'if god did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him'

Care to offer any evidence? By this logic, literally all non-religious people "never do good"



Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but didn't I link you to a list of 10+ pre-Christian world views that called on the people to love their enemies a week or so ago? Maybe it was a reply to dajusta, I don't recall, but I dug it up again:

http://www.unification.net/ws/theme144.htm

Most of them don't consider Jesus divine and some do not require a deity at all. Socrates (via Plato) also argues it's not just to harm anyone in the Republic, beginning with Polemarchus defining justice as "doing good to friends and evil to enemies" where, after some discussion, Socrates ends with "We have discovered that, in no instance, is it just to injure anybody"

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thx for providing the link, while i was well aware that several scriptures cover that subject i could not be bothered to dig out the specifics
but will those quotes help?

since i quoted voltaire above, let me add two more quotes from him (just to warn you not to expect too much from having provided those linked quotes):

"the truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who have lost the power of reason" & "nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense"

Absolutely there are people who call themselves Christians but are immoral. That's something else.

I said if people had faith and obeyed God, then they shouldn't be doing anything immoral.

Labeling yourself religious doesn't make you insta-faith or insta-obey.

This post was edited by dajusta on May 14 2013 11:54am

What good God would create a fruit that is not to be eaten, so that he can already know they will eat the fruit (god can predict the future, he is the reasoning why prophets are able to see the future) and then use this as an excuse to curse all humans based on 2 humans decisions.
a good god would judge us all individually, not lump as all up with these two who ate the forbidden fruit.

The bible was created by Lucifer, nuff said.

This post was edited by Krip on May 14 2013 03:24pm

are you saying that 'christians' who show immoral behaviour are not really christians?
or are they allowed to behave immoral as long as they still have faith?
what is the amount of immoral behaviour acceptable to be still christian?

plus i still would really appreciate your input on:

logical reasoning correctly!!

hm?

They try to be Christians, though they make mistakes and succumb to immoral behaviour. It's a lapse in judgement and a disobedience to God. We all do it - I am no exception. Another point is being proud of sinning. That is a clear disobedience to God and if someone is indeed proud of sinning then they (in my opinion) are no longer a follower of Christ. I do not judge them, I only judge myself.



Post-modernism is a rejection of modernism and some of its merits. So to understand post-modernity, you'd have to fully realize the constructs of modernity that is seemingly oppressive (or just inconvenient). Government, traditional law, scientific precision, modern reason and logic, those things oppose what the new generation of thinking is, so it gives rise to post-modernism which is distrust in government, not keeping to traditional law, science is not the end all and be all, and modern reasoning and logic are questioned.

How does Christianity vanish? It will not. The approach of religion and spirituality will just change. As I have said before, the theology does not change but the religion (superficial things) will change. The post-modern mindset will put value in experience, testimonials, spiritual understanding, personal freedom, etc. There will be positive changes and negative changes, but overall, Christianity will not die out. People thought evolution and scientific discovery would bury God, that is totally not true either.