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Jan 24 2026 08:16pm
People have gotten too comfortable with these confrontations. Dawg, you’re carrying a gun approaching law enforcement? Darwin award/10


Like the militia that open carried in Michigan's capital? Not a shot fired I heard
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Jan 24 2026 08:27pm
It’s just baffling how fast folks go back to their safe corners and talking points on this stuff.

Even if this person hadn’t have been killed I don’t know how folks can watch these endless videos of ICE confrontations where ICE goes physical for no reason with bystanders, reporters, etc and think it’s ok. Watch how this confrontation started. ICE got physical with someone taking a damn iPhone video. Sadly these videos pop up on a damn near daily basis.

You’re allowed to want stricter immigration enforcement and not be ok with the inhumane way many of these ICE agents comport themselves on a daily basis. Nobody is going to take your conservative card away from you.

This post was edited by TeenyUncle8 on Jan 24 2026 08:27pm
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Jan 24 2026 08:34pm
Like the militia that open carried in Michigan's capital? Not a shot fired I heard


Like the Antifa self-appointed 'peacekeepers' who shot and killed one person at a No Kings rally
One armed dumbass shoots another armed dumbass thinking the other guy is an active threat for the same display of a firearm the former guy was already doing.

Again I have to stress my favorite saying about how these people are trying to figure out just what the invisible line in the air is that allows them to swing their fist as closely to someone's face as possible
That's how you make a powderkeg. You have people seeking conflict where none had to exist, trying to create an unnecessary unprovoked confrontation while armed with a deadly weapon. Eventually someone's fist connects with someone's face.

This is where I've always broken with libertarians and called them morons. Well that and the gold standard. Anyone who thinks your constitutional freedoms are only protected when you can be as aggressive and confrontational as possible up to the point of getting people killed- all you're doing is collapsing the system that protects your freedoms in the first place. Society has to be civil, and if you break apart the civil order that protects us all, we devolve into Somalia and the only order will be warlords and tribal leaders with their gunmen to enforce their laws, and I guarantee you they won't have a libertarian utopian vision. If the NRA was exclusively made up by psychotic nutters who live on compounds where they build car bombs and horde heavy weaponry to overthrow the US government, our second amendment would have been shredded decades ago at a constitutional convention.

I think 'finger-biters' is going to be my new name for these confrontational schizo types
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Jan 24 2026 08:36pm
but for some levity

the shooting took place directly in front of a Somali healthcare scam center :bouncy:
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Jan 24 2026 08:47pm
Like the Antifa self-appointed 'peacekeepers' who shot and killed one person at a No Kings rally
One armed dumbass shoots another armed dumbass thinking the other guy is an active threat for the same display of a firearm the former guy was already doing.

Again I have to stress my favorite saying about how these people are trying to figure out just what the invisible line in the air is that allows them to swing their fist as closely to someone's face as possible
That's how you make a powderkeg. You have people seeking conflict where none had to exist, trying to create an unnecessary unprovoked confrontation while armed with a deadly weapon. Eventually someone's fist connects with someone's face.

This is where I've always broken with libertarians and called them morons. Well that and the gold standard. Anyone who thinks your constitutional freedoms are only protected when you can be as aggressive and confrontational as possible up to the point of getting people killed- all you're doing is collapsing the system that protects your freedoms in the first place. Society has to be civil, and if you break apart the civil order that protects us all, we devolve into Somalia and the only order will be warlords and tribal leaders with their gunmen to enforce their laws, and I guarantee you they won't have a libertarian utopian vision. If the NRA was exclusively made up by psychotic nutters who live on compounds where they build car bombs and horde heavy weaponry to overthrow the US government, our second amendment would have been shredded decades ago at a constitutional convention.

I think 'finger-biters' is going to be my new name for these confrontational schizo types


Personally, a 37 year old male nurse with aggressive whistle is way more confrontational than bunch of hill billies parading their rifles in the capital.

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Jan 24 2026 08:52pm
His motion is one of drawing an object from the hip, rather one of trying to put the object down.




They can't have reasonably restrained him if he was able to pull his gun or toy around with a camera or whatever. And the scene had been going on for far too long at that point, considering it was 6v1.


https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qm35la/video_analysis_slow_motion_annotated_video_shows/

Very clear video of trying to pocket his cellphone after being shoved around and sprayed.

Drawing motion....

Pretty fucked to be honest. And from what I can see from all the pre incident videos they were just filming in a public area from across the road not interfering at all.

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Like the Antifa self-appointed 'peacekeepers' who shot and killed one person at a No Kings rally
One armed dumbass shoots another armed dumbass thinking the other guy is an active threat for the same display of a firearm the former guy was already doing.

Again I have to stress my favorite saying about how these people are trying to figure out just what the invisible line in the air is that allows them to swing their fist as closely to someone's face as possible
That's how you make a powderkeg. You have people seeking conflict where none had to exist, trying to create an unnecessary unprovoked confrontation while armed with a deadly weapon. Eventually someone's fist connects with someone's face.

This is where I've always broken with libertarians and called them morons. Well that and the gold standard. Anyone who thinks your constitutional freedoms are only protected when you can be as aggressive and confrontational as possible up to the point of getting people killed- all you're doing is collapsing the system that protects your freedoms in the first place. Society has to be civil, and if you break apart the civil order that protects us all, we devolve into Somalia and the only order will be warlords and tribal leaders with their gunmen to enforce their laws, and I guarantee you they won't have a libertarian utopian vision. If the NRA was exclusively made up by psychotic nutters who live on compounds where they build car bombs and horde heavy weaponry to overthrow the US government, our second amendment would have been shredded decades ago at a constitutional convention.

I think 'finger-biters' is going to be my new name for these confrontational schizo types


The tragedy of the commons appears to essentially be a natural law - and doesn't just apply to physical resources, but also metaphysical resources such as (freedom of) speech or gesture.

This post was edited by El1te on Jan 24 2026 09:30pm
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Jan 24 2026 09:31pm
So anyone weighing in on the leading theories and analysis because it seems probable that the first weapon to fire was the suspects, and this could very well be yet another example of sig 320 firing on its own
It would explain the pause between shots, the jump reaction from officers and firing at the guy

that in the split second one officer appears to take the gun from the guys belt and turns down the street, the gun in his hand appears to rotate awkwardly and rapidly rather than being kept in a firm grip, right at the moment of the first gunshot
Given its a sig 320 that gives a pretty good chance it went off on its own as the officer was trying to remove it from the guy, that shot provoking the officers to shoot the guy thinking he was firing

From all the slow motion analysis and event breakdown I've seen this seems to be the leading theory / most logical explanation
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Jan 24 2026 09:32pm
Denial of reality? This dude waved a gun around and like I said got handled like a rabid dog for it. You do what he did in Canada you know full well there would be a full ERT with snipers trained on him. In the USA these guys are treated with kids gloves.

You fail to understand the meaning of 2A. It's not so that citizens can rise up and kill people, it's a natural deterrent to a tyrannical government. It alone made the Japanese hesitant to invade. In Canada we are more or less 2A - mostly anyone can acquire guns, and it's also why the Liberal seizure LARP isn't happening. No cop is willing to attempt it and be ambushed.


Notice how not a single 2A’r is out defending against the current tyrannical government, coward bootlickers
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Jan 24 2026 09:34pm
So anyone weighing in on the leading theories and analysis because it seems probable that the first weapon to fire was the suspects, and this could very well be yet another example of sig 320 firing on its own
It would explain the pause between shots, the jump reaction from officers and firing at the guy

that in the split second one officer appears to take the gun from the guys belt and turns down the street, the gun in his hand appears to rotate awkwardly and rapidly rather than being kept in a firm grip, right at the moment of the first gunshot
Given its a sig 320 that gives a pretty good chance it went off on its own as the officer was trying to remove it from the guy, that shot provoking the officers to shoot the guy thinking he was firing

From all the slow motion analysis and event breakdown I've seen this seems to be the leading theory / most logical explanation


Doesn't excuse the actions of these jumpy pussy ass officers. Oh no Clarice a gun discharged. We better put 18 bullets in his head.
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