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but abortion and thats when the fetus doesnt count


think of the abortion as an eviction by landchad momma

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Here's a genuine question for you:

If "abortion is murder", then the State should have a similar interest in intervening during the pre-meditation stage similar to how it would intervene if Person A had intent to kill Person B. The State would not simply wait idly by until Person A killed Person B to take action.

If, according to your position, both the mother (Person A) and the fetus (Person B ) constitute a whole person and abortion is murder, then the State should be proactively interfering if/when the mother intends to seek an abortion, right? What would this look like though should your position become enshrined in law?


Abortion is not murder in the traditional sense of the word murder. The whole point of the law is to make it hard, inconvenient and expensive for people to casually end life, which is the right thing to do. People are still going to get abortions but such laws will undoubtedly dent rates, which is a utilitarian net positive for us life advocates. I have no interest in putting people in jail, but next time someone wants to have an abortion at least they'll remember how hard and inconvenient it is and some of the hoops they have to go through which hopefully at least somewhat sway them to not go through with it.
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Sep 2 2021 07:18pm
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Abortion is not murder in the traditional sense of the word murder. The whole point of the law is to make it hard, inconvenient and expensive for people to casually end life, which is the right thing to do. People are still going to get abortions but such laws will undoubtedly dent rates, which is a utilitarian net positive for us life advocates. I have no interest in putting people in jail, but next time someone wants to have an abortion at least they'll remember how hard and inconvenient it is and some of the hoops they have to go through which hopefully at least somewhat sway them to not go through with it.


I guess I'm just confused then about the desire to adamantly describe it as 'murder' without then actually treating it as such.
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Sep 2 2021 07:21pm
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I guess I'm just confused then about the desire to adamantly describe it as 'murder' without then actually treating it as such.


They're very dramatic. Just rhetoric used to justify theocratic authoritarianism. The supreme court is going to ban abortion altogether within 5 years.
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Sep 2 2021 08:01pm
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You can literally replace that with dozens of things that cause deaths, that doesn't mean they are comparable. Why not driving or processed foods or alcohol? It's a pointless and retarded gotcha exercise.


That's why the logic is faulty...

Most Americans would argue that the pros of abortion outweigh the cons.
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think of the abortion as an eviction by landchad momma


thats very cute. pro choice should really be called the no choice party. the child conceived had no choice then murdered still with out a choice. by selfish people who only care about their own gratification
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Sep 2 2021 08:08pm
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think of the abortion as an eviction by landchad momma


This is unironically my position regarding abortion. I do not believe the State should have the power to outright force, or otherwise coerce, a person to let another person occupy their body.
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Sep 2 2021 08:12pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 2 2021 07:45pm)
You can literally replace that with dozens of things that cause deaths, that doesn't mean they are comparable. Why not driving or processed foods or alcohol? It's a pointless and retarded gotcha exercise.


Utility vs cost

Banning abortion has negative utility

People surviving covid has a positive utility.

The cost to benefit ratio for the former is negative and the latter is positive
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Sep 2 2021 08:13pm
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Abortion is not murder in the traditional sense of the word murder. The whole point of the law is to make it hard, inconvenient and expensive for people to casually end life,.


That's why you make guns less accessible to... By the same means. Making it difficult to access
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That's why you make guns less accessible to... By the same means. Making it difficult to access


unless its the taliban
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