Quote (IceMage @ Feb 14 2021 04:07pm)
You asserted Democrats don't care about the thousands of blacks murdered each year. Obviously they do, because they propose policy to address it. Your disagreement on that policy does not negate the fact that they care and are trying to address it. The response of the right when cops murder black people is to pivot to other topics that they never talk about... sort of like you just did with bringing up thousands of blacks being murdered each year. Why do you only bring that problem up when the darkies get murked by cops?
By that barometer, every political party in the United States cares deeply about American blacks. It is insufficient to say "I care". Democrats direct focus to non-issues (e.g. gun control) because the alternative is tackling real, but inconvenient, challenges. Teacher unions and lack of school choice pose a real threat to black progress, but teacher unions pay Democratic dues, and so they can't be touched. Graft, incompetence, and perverse incentives have derailed social programs for the last 50 years, but rather than tackle the specter of Democratic failures past, they prefer to scapegoat the results on external factors.
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply. I have been vocally anti-crime and pro-education. I support increasing infrastructure spending and directing additional education spending towards the inner cities. By your barometer, I care deeply about blacks. As a country we probably don't talk about these issues as much as we should, but that's because American blacks are a minority that is owned by the Democratic party. Republicans have been loathe to try and break the monopoly and Democrats have never bothered extending more than the buzzwords required to keep their political machines functioning.
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Next, it's completely absurd to pretend the politicians' rhetoric around some of the police killings in the summer is in any way the same thing as what Trump did the last 2 months of his presidency. Black people were killed by police... many of the incidents were unjustified, or at the very least suspect. People were going to take the streets to protest and riot regardless of what Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi said. I'm perfectly willing to admit some of the rhetoric during that time was irresponsible, perhaps even dangerous in some cases. If Republicans want to bring forth bills to censure Maxine Waters or whoever else, go ahead. But using this as an excuse to let the President of the United States of your party off the hook for a significantly worse abuse of power is ridiculous.
On the other hand, Trump completely manufactured the idea that the election was stolen. He came out on election night and called it stolen. He pre-empted election day with constant talk about how it might be rigged. I'm not going to rehash everything he did in those 2 months... suffice to say he was the biggest sore loser in American history. The Jan. 6th insurrection would not have happened without his rhetoric and actions. So your weaksauce whataboutism is just another pivot... you'd prefer not to focus on cops murdering black people, or the president you supported inciting an insurrection, so you pivot to different topics.
Nancy Pelosi incited attacks against police by drawing a comparison with Hitler. Maxine Waters incited criminal assault against members of the administration. On an unrelated issue, Chuck Schumer went so far as to threaten the Supreme Court.
The Republican party tried to censure Chuck Schumer. They tried to censure Maxine Waters, and for all I know they tried to censure Pelosi as well. Those attempts, for all that censure requires a much lower bar than impeachment, were stonewalled by the Democratic side of aisle. And so now the Democratic party comes forward and says that Trump's comments with respect to the events on January 6th were so far past the line, but that the aforementioned cases are completely fine. It will convince no one. They are going to need to compromise and slap down the violent rhetoric on your side of the aisle. They are unwilling to do that, ergo, no impeachment.
The riots this past year were fanned for years by Democrats who were unable to confront their supporters with the truth. Michael Brown, Jacob Blake, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd. "Hands up, don't shoot" was a lie, it never happened, and yet you have posters on this forum today who use Michael Brown as an example of an unarmed black man shot down in cold blood by the police. How can you blame those supporters, when they do riot, when they've been serially misled by irresponsible politicians who have told them that police gunning down unarmed black men is not just a routine occurrence, but practically a sport.
This post was edited by bogie160 on Feb 14 2021 04:03pm