what fact was misinterpreted?
is he running around saying 40% of apprehended persons at the border are MS-13 gang members?

The magnitude of the actual problem is not remotely close to adequately measured by "confirmed MS-13 gang members apprehended at the border by border patrol as a percent of total people apprehended at the border."
If 10,000 illegal immigrants are let into your town and only 1% are a gang of particularly savage murderers does that make it not a real problem?
how about if 50k non-gang members are apprehended at the border of the country yet your town still faces these gangs? does that mean its not a significant problem? what if no one is stopped at the border?
Are people who criticize the murderers and want to restrict their entry a bunch of racists and liars for doing so?

Detroit has a population of around 670k people. 'Only' 43 per 100k are murdered each year. The violent crime rate is 'only' 1,749 per 100k.
I guess all those people who factually recognize crime is a major problem in Detroit are a bunch of racist liars because murderers aren't a large percentage of their population, right?


Also realize that only apprehended gang members (typically w/ previous criminal records in the database)are being counted there, not the ones who get through and wreak havoc in america and recruit other illegals into their gangs.
Their US population has been estimated to be around 8-10k, and there are numerous other gangs as well. Gang violence is a very serious problem and immigration plays a major role, whether you want to admit it or not.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jun 29 2018 09:59pm

Whered you go to school?

The amount of times Trump has referenced MS-13 members illegally immigrating to the US in public statements vastly overstates the actual problem based on this research by Cato.

The point you have about counting apprehensions at the border vs gang violence in America as a whole is valid.



ITT Tech for my Bachelor's and Trump University for my Master's.

it's mostly a metaphor. when Trump is talking about MS-13, he means immigrant crime and gang violence in general - he's just using the MS-13 as a bold example because this makes his point more tangible and relatable; and this particular gang has a particularly high name recognition.

it's the equivalent of feminists talking about "the Weinstein's of this world".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 30 2018 03:05am

that was called going to sleep.

guilty? not at all. lol. 101'posts

Amid surging violence, some Mexicans choose asylum over voting

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-election-asylum/amid-surging-violence-some-mexicans-choose-asylum-over-voting-idUSKBN1JR226




And... here comes the next batch.
I mean I feel sorry that people have to live in fear, etc. But all of them coming to the US isn't the answer.
They should ask the US to come in and kick some ass.



/e I think the US should set up a well defended consulate in Mexico. Then folks that wanted to immigrate or seek asylum could go there and apply.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 2 2018 02:27am

Dude I just told you how she was denied because she is not a citizen and workers wouldn’t like the idea of a “foreigner” above them XD how is that not discrimination.
I wouldn’t say that being here legally and having all the legal papers is considered up in the air heh

This post was edited by IchBinDaddy on Jul 3 2018 08:59am

U.S. judge orders release reviews for asylum seekers

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-ruling/u-s-judge-orders-release-reviews-for-asylum-seekers-idUSKBN1JT02G




What a shock. Trump intends to stick with his " no more catch and release" promise.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 3 2018 02:46pm