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May 12 2013 06:38am
Quote (brmv @ May 11 2013 11:28pm)
answered in post#613 - how did you miss that?


I did see that. You learned that Christians in here are ignorant. It is funny how that is a two way implication. It works both ways you know.

I also know that non-Christians, for some strange reason, have 'double standards' for Christians while they themselves can go and do whatever they want. This is because they feel that they would be bound by rules and regulations as Christians. You don't want any part of that right?

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May 12 2013 07:12am
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I did see that. You learned that Christians in here are ignorant. It is funny how that is a two way implication. It works both ways you know.
I also know that non-Christians, for some strange reason, have 'double standards' for Christians while they themselves can go and do whatever they want. This is because they feel that they would be bound by rules and regulations as Christians. You don't want any part of that right?


while i have met quite a few self-styled christians which have shown immoral behaviour, i can't say the same about more secular people - but i might not socialise in the same circles as you do
but share your experiences about those people you met who feel that they can do whatever they want because they are not bound by rules and regulations as christians
in case you do not know, morality is not a prerogative of christianity
and please explain your last sentence (question), not clear what you refer to
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May 12 2013 09:33am
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That is why I said God, life and the Bible. I didn't mention christians on d2jsp in regards to that question.


doesn't life include christians?
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May 12 2013 09:36am
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in case you do not know, morality is not a prerogative of christianity


Faith and deeds are inseparable.
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May 12 2013 10:40am
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Faith and deeds are inseparable.


does that imply that bad deeds reflect bad on faith?
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May 13 2013 06:33am
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while i have met quite a few self-styled christians which have shown immoral behaviour, i can't say the same about more secular people - but i might not socialise in the same circles as you do
but share your experiences about those people you met who feel that they can do whatever they want because they are not bound by rules and regulations as christians
in case you do not know, morality is not a prerogative of christianity
and please explain your last sentence (question), not clear what you refer to


Yeah, sin does that doesn't it? Make people do bad things. Unfortunately being a Christian doesn't mean you become sinless, it only means you are free from the penalty of sin. No, not death. I'm talking about the judgement that comes afterwards.
Being a Christian means you strive to not sin, doesn't mean you won't stuff up. If there are 'Christians' who don't strive to not sin then their hearts are not in favour of God.

Okay you want me to explain my last sentence (question). Many people view Christianity as things that you must not do. When I say things you must not do I mean things that you shouldn't do. Unfortunately these things may include things that the world views as the way to live.
Things like going to lots of parties, having sex left right and centre, gathering up worldly possessions and living the high life etc. Now on the surface it is easy to view those things as fun and having a good time. Unfortunately, many people fail to see the long term consequences.
When they see Christians they will think that they will not be able to do all of those things from before, they have lost what they view life as fun. They also fail to see what they gain by switching their focus from this world to Jesus Christ.
When you switch your focus to Jesus Christ, essentially you allow him to run your life and do what God wants you to do, well at least you try.

When I say you don't want any part of that, I'm saying that you do not want your life to be run by the "Creator of the Universe." You want to run your life the way you want to because you want to be like God, knowing good and evil.

Quote (Neptunus @ May 13 2013 01:33am)
doesn't life include christians?


It does but singling something out to avoid the overall question though?


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May 13 2013 08:08am
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...When I say you don't want any part of that, I'm saying that you do not want your life to be run by the "Creator of the Universe." You want to run your life the way you want to because you want to be like God, knowing good and evil....


first sentence implies your faith into some 'creator of the universe' so it's a logical fallacy, first part of second sentence is just the same
there is no need for a god for there to be morals/ethics and an understanding of good and evil
is this understanding exactly the same for everyone you might ask - the answer is no
is this understanding exactly the same for all people in one congregation - the answer is no
is this understanding exactly the same for all christian denominations - the answer is no
is this understanding exactly the same for all religions - the answer is no

so, what are you on about
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May 13 2013 10:56am
Quote (brmv @ May 12 2013 09:40am)
does that imply that bad deeds reflect bad on faith?


I would say so. I can't imagine a person who truly loves and obeys God to do anything immoral.
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May 13 2013 02:41pm
Quote (CPK001 @ May 13 2013 06:33am)
When I say you don't want any part of that, I'm saying that you do not want your life to be run by the "Creator of the Universe." You want to run your life the way you want to because you want to be like God, knowing good and evil.


What? I have seen you say before that we already know good and evil, that is why we have original sin. And if Genesis is true, then we are already like God, 'Behold, he has become like one of us.'
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May 13 2013 03:46pm
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I would say so.  I can't imagine a person who truly loves and obeys God to do anything immoral.


sounds very much like part of a circular reasoning argument
are there immoral religious people? especially christians? especially those of your denomination?

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