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Oct 9 2023 08:22pm
Quote (fender @ Oct 9 2023 07:20pm)
i mean, cutting power and water to millions of civilians, indiscriminately bombing whole building blocks full of women and children, and the dehumanising rhetoric they use, certainly point to very harsh, and certainly disproportionate retaliation. guess it depends on the reaction of the rest of the world if he fully commits to genocide, but it'd be the logical next step, and one of only two ways to end the constant violence (the other, peaceful way, which would be a free and independent palestine, is something he has categorically ruled out many years ago)...

that said, so far it's just speculation that they had concrete intelligence, and that could still turn out to not be true. all i'm saying is i wouldn't be shocked, it surely wouldn't be out of character for netanyahu...


Why did he rule it out?
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Oct 9 2023 08:33pm
Quote (majorblood @ 10 Oct 2023 04:17)
everyone knows this but that particular symbol is obviously for the nazi party


that guy is a literal nazi, an open anti-semite celebrating that innocent jewish people were horrifically murdered. why do you even try to argue with him? just ignore him.


about your previous post though: do you know the context of the person with the nazi flag on their screen?

if they are showing it in support of the holocaust and wish death to all jewish people, then fuck them.
if they are showing it to suggest the netanyahu government is behaving like nazis, i can at least see where they are coming from. would it be a fair and accurate comparison? not at this point, but i know what they're getting at.

i mean, if they had an actual flag or a nazi tattoo it'd be easy to say, because that'd show they are actually invested in that hateful ideology, but they are literally holding up a phone with a google search of "nazi flag"...
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Oct 9 2023 08:37pm
Quote (fender @ Oct 9 2023 07:33pm)
that guy is a literal nazi, an open anti-semite celebrating that innocent jewish people were horrifically murdered. why do you even try to argue with him? just ignore him.


about your previous post though: do you know the context of the person with the nazi flag on their screen?

if they are showing it in support of the holocaust and wish death to all jewish people, then fuck them.
if they are showing it to suggest the netanyahu government is behaving like nazis, i can at least see where they are coming from. would it be a fair and accurate comparison? not at this point, but i know what they're getting at.

i mean, if they had an actual flag or a nazi tattoo it'd be easy to say, because that'd show they are actually invested in that hateful ideology, but they are literally holding up a phone with a google search of "nazi flag"...


no clue, looks like a kid who is holding up a nazi symbol on his phone because he's with his people at a Palestine support rally just after this attack on Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if he was extremely anti israel and was trying to get a reaction, pretending that he's saying "this is what israel actually is" is quite the stretch given the context but it is possible -- although again wrong

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Oct 9 2023 08:38pm
Quote (Bazi @ Oct 9 2023 07:21pm)
Barely up, especially given the circumstances, and still down compared to 7 days ago

Means market pricing in Israel Saudi deal still going through


yeah, crude has been volatile recently for sure but there was a definite spike on both with lmt itself up ~9% today being pretty significant

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Oct 9 2023 08:51pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 9 2023 07:37pm)
no clue, looks like a kid who is holding up a nazi symbol on his phone because he's with his people at a Palestine support rally just after this attack on Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if he was extremely anti israel and was trying to get a reaction, pretending that he's saying "this is what israel actually is" is quite the stretch given the context but it is possible -- although again wrong


I don't think it's fruitful to argue whether Palestinians are the Nazis or it's the Israelis. The important thing is that they hate each other and the hatred will only get more intense if they are physically close to each other. If we want peace in that region, one of them has to move. Or maybe we don't care whether there is peace in that region, which I personally think is the stance we should take. Let people learn to sort out their own problems. The US is not the world's nanny.
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Oct 9 2023 08:54pm
Quote (majorblood @ Oct 9 2023 09:38pm)
yeah, crude has been volatile recently for sure but there was a definite spike on both with lmt itself up ~9% today being pretty significant


Not to diverge this topic too much but yields (esp 10 year) continuing to fall from peaks (they have every reason to increase after the weekend) in addition to muted oil and dropping Israeli currency together tell a story. That nobody is really betting the deal will fall through.

Let’s not forget the Saudi Israel deal didn’t include Gaza (iirc) in the first place, it was primarily regarding West Bank and illegal settlement expansion.

So if the prevailing premise is deal is gonna go through (Israel stands to benefit the most from this tbh) and Gaza is about to be flattened (pretty realistic at this point) , what we can gather is this outcome is acceptable for the deal to go through.

Essentially making Gaza an example to the West Bank.

My thoughts anyway

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Oct 9 2023 09:02pm
So much of the world is being held together on the illusion of power in my opinion. We're like 2 days into this and Israel has to request more iron dome munitions from the US. Thing about modern warfare is it doesn't matter how advanced and great your anti-air systems are, if it can be overwhelmed by cheap rockets. Yes it's a fantastic and very good system but each iron dome missile costs 40k, meanwhile Hamas can basically piece together home made rockets that are a tiny fraction of the cost.

If they fired 5k rockets, that means it took about $200million dollars in iron dome munitions alone to intercept over the last 2 days. Now imagine if that was a country with a huge industrial capacity doing it, they'd simply exhaust the iron dome munitions in no time. Modern warfare has really evolved. I actually think us sending the carrier group is a good thing for the show of force, which hopefully keeps Hezbollah and some of the other Muslims at bay.

Imagine a scenario of swarms of drones i.e. Shaheeds, Bayrakters all trying to strike Israel. Imagine tens of thousands of missiles also heading for Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem. Israel would be only left with one real option, which is nuking or face sure destruction. At the rate they're burning through these their industrial capacity would simply not be able to keep up with AA needs and only option would be to be quick offensive action.

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Oct 9 2023 09:03pm
Quote (majorblood @ 9 Oct 2023 21:38)
yeah, crude has been volatile recently for sure but there was a definite spike on both with lmt itself up ~9% today being pretty significant


Yea times like these when I see my defense sector stocks sky rocket I feel like a profiteer scumbag but I ask myself....

Lockheed Martin

Northrop Grumman

General Dynamics

Raytheon

Booze Allen Hamilton

L3 Harris

Does anyone at these companies care when they go to take their monday morning shit and their stock option is up 25k. Do they care about the people involved in this conflict? No. No they dont. So how does someone not directly involved in this conflict resolute this conflict? Can't be done. What's more likely?......Expanded warfare and chaos/destruction with no hope of resolution
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Oct 9 2023 09:07pm
Quote (Bazi @ Oct 9 2023 07:54pm)
Not to diverge this topic too much but yields (esp 10 year) continuing to fall from peaks (they have every reason to increase after the weekend) in addition to muted oil and dropping Israeli currency together tell a story. That nobody is really betting the deal will fall through.

Let’s not forget the Saudi Israel deal didn’t include Gaza (iirc) in the first place, it was primarily regarding West Bank and illegal settlement expansion.

So if the prevailing premise is deal is gonna go through (Israel stands to benefit the most from this tbh) and Gaza is about to be flattened (pretty realistic at this point) , what we can gather is this outcome is acceptable for the deal to go through.

Essentially making Gaza an example to the West Bank.

My thoughts anyway


well the biden administration definitely thinks the price of oil is too high too with his delaying to refill the spr, which again could give you their perspective on longer term middle east relations with the saudis. while his administration's refusal to refill the spr obviously couldn't predict this particular event I wonder if somewhere in their calculations actuaries determined the likelihood of Iran/Hamas attacking Israel.
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Oct 9 2023 09:07pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 9 2023 10:03pm)
Yea times like these when I see my defense sector stocks sky rocket I feel like a profiteer scumbag but I ask myself....

Lockheed Martin

Northrop Grumman

General Dynamics

Raytheon

Booze Allen Hamilton

L3 Harris

Does anyone at these companies care when they go to take their monday morning shit and their stock option is up 25k. Do they care about the people involved in this conflict? No. No they dont. So how does someone not directly involved in this conflict resolute this conflict? Can't be done. What's more likely?......Expanded warfare and chaos/destruction with no hope of resolution


Not wrong
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