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Aug 20 2020 08:39am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 20 2020 10:05am)
"Presidents have done something before" isn't a justification. I think typically presidents criticize companies for something they do to offend the public good... "not allowing employees to wear my campaign hats" doesn't qualify.

If you want to normalize a president attacking an American company for no good reason and attacking American cities, saying they should rot, fine. I expect more from public servants.


He's criticizing GoodYear for taking sides on a divisive political issue. Keeping public companies out of partisan politics is in the public's interest.

Yes, the president should express himself better. And Nancy Pelosi shouldn't be referring to federal law enforcement as stormtroopers. We have the politicians that we have. But that's a far cry from "attacking" cities. The president has done what he can do, if Democrats don't want to police skyrocketing violent crime (this just being a fact), then it's on the urban voters to toss them out. Its not the president's fault that the Democratic party is bad at running cities. This is what democracy is all about.
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Aug 20 2020 08:46am
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He's criticizing GoodYear for taking sides on a divisive political issue. Keeping public companies out of partisan politics is in the public's interest.

Yes, the president should express himself better. And Nancy Pelosi shouldn't be referring to federal law enforcement as stormtroopers. We have the politicians that we have. But that's a far cry from "attacking" cities. The president has done what he can do, if Democrats don't want to police skyrocketing violent crime (this just being a fact), then it's on the urban voters to toss them out. Its not the president's fault that the Democratic party is bad at running cities. This is what democracy is all about.


Ah... so trashing an American company and telling people not to buy from them is "keeping them out of partisan politics"? Right.

Saying to leave Democrat cities and let them rot isn't attacking them?
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Aug 20 2020 08:51am
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Ah... so trashing an American company and telling people not to buy from them is "keeping them out of partisan politics"? Right.

Saying to leave Democrat cities and let them rot isn't attacking them?


He's quite literally doing what they ask. They want to be left alone. He tried to help in Portland, and the Democrats wanted no part of it. Reasonable people now see that the mobs are still rioting, and that the Democrats in charge were wrong, but it's incumbent on them and their voters to initiate change.

GoodYear entered the fray and took sides on a divisive political question. They are free to do that, but they are not immune from criticism. Do you think people treat the Koch brothers or Soros any differently?
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Aug 20 2020 08:54am
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He's quite literally doing what they ask. They want to be left alone. He tried to help in Portland, and the Democrats wanted no part of it. Reasonable people now see that the mobs are still rioting, and that the Democrats in charge were wrong, but it's incumbent on them and their voters to initiate change.

GoodYear entered the fray and took sides on a divisive political question. They are free to do that, but they are not immune from criticism. Do you think people treat the Koch brothers or Soros any differently?



Feds are still in PD. FYI
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Aug 20 2020 09:11am
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 20 2020 10:51am)
He's quite literally doing what they ask. They want to be left alone. He tried to help in Portland, and the Democrats wanted no part of it. Reasonable people now see that the mobs are still rioting, and that the Democrats in charge were wrong, but it's incumbent on them and their voters to initiate change.

GoodYear entered the fray and took sides on a divisive political question. They are free to do that, but they are not immune from criticism. Do you think people treat the Koch brothers or Soros any differently?


You can throw out whatever justifications you want. If Obama spoke of rural towns in PA devastated by job loss and the opiate crisis, and then said "let them rot" because those politicians refuse to provide sufficient funds for job training and medical care, you'd rightly consider it offensive and beneath the office. The failures of local officials doesn't justify the president speaking in this way.

The problem is that right-wingers now view the president as if he's a pundit. You guys don't expect him to be above the fray in any debate. And no attack is viewed as beneath the dignity of the office he holds. The problem is that everyone knows you didn't have the same standards for Obama, and won't for the next Democratic president.
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Aug 20 2020 09:27am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 20 2020 11:11am)
You can throw out whatever justifications you want. If Obama spoke of rural towns in PA devastated by job loss and the opiate crisis, and then said "let them rot" because those politicians refuse to provide sufficient funds for job training and medical care, you'd rightly consider it offensive and beneath the office. The failures of local officials doesn't justify the president speaking in this way.

The problem is that right-wingers now view the president as if he's a pundit. You guys don't expect him to be above the fray in any debate. And no attack is viewed as beneath the dignity of the office he holds. The problem is that everyone knows you didn't have the same standards for Obama, and won't for the next Democratic president.




You are equivocating. They are rioting, burning, looting, assaulting people. How can you even compare that to a town with job loss.

Here's a news flash... the rioting is voluntary.
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Aug 20 2020 10:46am
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1296448379518627843

Leaked audio from the Goodyear meeting at which their policy was presented and confirms that not only is it real and they can't deny it, but they explicitly ban "all lives matter", "blue lives matter" and "white lives matter" while explicitly allowing "black lives matter"
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https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1296448379518627843

Leaked audio from the Goodyear meeting at which their policy was presented and confirms that not only is it real and they can't deny it, but they explicitly ban "all lives matter", "blue lives matter" and "white lives matter" while explicitly allowing "black lives matter"


"racism good, criticizing racism bad" -icepeon
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Aug 20 2020 12:00pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 20 2020 11:11am)
You can throw out whatever justifications you want. If Obama spoke of rural towns in PA devastated by job loss and the opiate crisis, and then said "let them rot" because those politicians refuse to provide sufficient funds for job training and medical care, you'd rightly consider it offensive and beneath the office. The failures of local officials doesn't justify the president speaking in this way.

The problem is that right-wingers now view the president as if he's a pundit. You guys don't expect him to be above the fray in any debate. And no attack is viewed as beneath the dignity of the office he holds. The problem is that everyone knows you didn't have the same standards for Obama, and won't for the next Democratic president.


Of course it's beneath the dignity of the office. I say that because I'm not sure what you expect anyone to do with that information. Vote in the party of racial segregationists? Trump exists because the left is completely unpalatable to millions of Americans.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 20 2020 01:00pm)
Of course it's beneath the dignity of the office. I say that because I'm not sure what you expect anyone to do with that information. Vote in the party of racial segregationists? Trump exists because the left is completely unpalatable to millions of Americans.


It's unfortunate you've become this dishonest
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