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some people are libertarian when it arrange their son of a sneaky narrative - only -

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Quote (Bazi @ 20 Nov 2023 00:39)
Let’s be real here

Nobody actually knows what the state on the ground is. Somehow the IDF have reduced their on the ground credibility to slightly better than the terrorist organization, that has zero credibility.

The IDF themselves declared 200 dead Hamas fighters on Thursday /Friday, so if the 11-12k figure is accurate that’s an abysmal ratio. Even if we widen goal posts to include angry children, that is still an abysmal ratio.

Maybe the IDF has been trained by American cops.

I don’t think many can honestly argue civilian to terrorist ratio of 50:1 (extreme underestimate) sets the region up for long term peace. But as many have eluded, peace isn’t the goal


Peace is not the goal since October 7th sherlock
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Civilian deaths this is how it looks:
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNmRCeVU/
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hostage-was-killed-in-shifa-clip-shows-hamas-take-2-more-hostages-there-on-oct-7/amp/


Hamas are despicable creatures. I for one hope the IDF complete the total destruction of Hamas' capabilites.
And yes that includes killing as many of its members.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hostage-was-killed-in-shifa-clip-shows-hamas-take-2-more-hostages-there-on-oct-7/amp/


Hamas are despicable creatures. I for one hope the IDF complete the total destruction of Hamas' capabilites.
And yes that includes killing as many of its members.


But not thousands of children?

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Nov 20 2023 05:47am
Quote (Bananii @ Nov 20 2023 11:44am)
But not thousands of children?

Oups


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas_attack_on_Israel
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Yes yes we all know that

Israel still bombs thousands of children as answer

Stop act like in the russia ukraine thread
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Quote (Bananii @ Nov 20 2023 11:55am)
Yes yes we all know that

Israel still bombs thousands of children as answer

Stop act like in the russia ukraine thread


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France will “evacuate” “injured or sick children” from the Gaza Strip. The Elysée announced on Sunday that France would mobilize "all the means at its disposal" to "contribute to evacuating injured or sick children from the Gaza Strip to its hospitals who need urgent care." “Medical air assets, both civil and military, will be deployed for this purpose,” added the presidency.
=> Seems it's about distancing ourselves from war crimes & crimes against humanity committed in the area. The President of the National Assembly Yaël Braun-Pivet “pleads for two States”, positioned “on the historic line of France”

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War between Israel and Hamas: Joe Biden calls to “reunify” “Gaza and the West Bank” and threatens sanctions against “extremist” settlers

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It was thirty years ago. Signed on September 13, 1993, in Washington, by the Palestinian Yasser Arafat and the Israeli Yitzhak Rabin, the Oslo Accords (where they had been negotiated secretly) laid down two principles: mutual recognition between the Hebrew State and the PLO (the Palestine Liberation Organization, of which Hamas is not a member), as well as a future settlement of the conflict on the basis of UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338. Or the famous “two-state solution”: the Israeli withdrawal from the territories occupied in 1967 (Gaza Strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem) to establish a Palestinian state there, in exchange for the definitive recognition of Israel and its right to Security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
Benjamin Netanyahu, accused Rabin's government of being "removed from Jewish tradition [...] and Jewish values".[2][3] Right-wing rabbis associated with the settlers' movement prohibited territorial concessions to the Palestinians

Three times more settlers since Oslo

At the time, "only" 266,000 Israelis lived in the occupied territories, more than half of them in East Jerusalem, annexed by Israel in 1980.
Thirty years later, there are 685,000 settlers (2021 figures) and two thirds of them are settled in the West Bank, in 145 Jewish settlements.
They now cover the entire territory populated by 3.3 million Palestinians, they prevent any territorial continuity between Palestinian cities, torpedoing the very idea of a state.
Their constant expansion has taken place in violation of UN resolutions (the latest one dates from February 2023), and in violation of international law which qualifies the settlement of a population in an occupied territory as a “war crime”.



Full article
https://www.ouest-france.fr/monde/israel/israel-palestine-comment-la-colonisation-juive-a-torpille-la-solution-a-deux-etats-6b4d4922-7288-11ee-a00f-d55111ba52f2




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