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Jan 11 2020 08:40am
What kind of 3rd world country send missile by error in 2020 and
why do people blame trump instead of the dumbo who pressed the fire button
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Jan 11 2020 08:52am
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What kind of 3rd world country send missile by error in 2020 and
why do people blame trump instead of the dumbo who pressed the fire button


Third world is defined by being not in NATO (first world) and not being in the Warsaw Pact (the second world).

By definition Switzerland is a third world country. Mexico too :)

Cold War terminology isn't really descriptive anymore.

Most people say Third World and they think Poor People but that actually isn't true :)

What kind of agrarian desert hamlet fires a missile....lol.

To be fair most of the Muslim world is not living in 2020 they're living in the 1500s.

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What kind of 3rd world country send missile by error in 2020 and
why do people blame trump instead of the dumbo who pressed the fire button


i know right? that's almost as bad as bombing hospitals, schools, and weddings...
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i know right? that's almost as bad as bombing hospitals, schools, and weddings...


We talking Assad or Obama here?

The present administration has been pretty tame with military stuff compared to Clinton, Bush, Obama, is the point I'm trying to make.

I really dislike trump and do not want him to be president, because he isn't good enough and he is beneath the office in character....

...but his ineffectiveness means not a lot has actually changed since he was elected. We are still largely living on Obama's platform. He refined it a bit by removing the mandate but nothing changed except more self pays in the ER and bankruptcy with that....GOP and their broken window theory amirite? Betsy DeVoss hasn't been effective in her agenda either, it seems our institutions are resilient. He hasn't done anything to the economy and it is chugging along.

As long as he keeps surrounding himself with flatterers and not doers.... Any talented person who has worked for trump has ended up walking away and calling him an idiot. We are protected by this.

Will also see how the acts after he loses the senate. Those cucks will be culled lol.

I bet by the end of a second term trump will be a liberal again, And the same people who felt cucked by the Republican party will feel cucked again. But they will be back to just be making fun of Jeb Bush's Mexican kids and be harmless again.

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We talking Assad or Obama here?

The present administration has been pretty tame with military stuff compared to Clinton, Bush, Obama, is the point I'm trying to make.

I really dislike trump and do not want him to be president, because he isn't good enough and he is beneath the office in character....

...but his ineffectiveness means not a lot has actually changed since he was elected. We are still largely living on Obama's platform. He refined it a bit by removing the mandate but nothing changed except more self pays in the ER and bankruptcy with that....GOP and their broken window theory amirite? Betsy DeVoss hasn't been effective in her agenda either, it seems our institutions are resilient. He hasn't done anything to the economy and it is chugging along.

As long as he keeps surrounding himself with flatterers and not doers.... Any talented person who has worked for trump has ended up walking away and calling him an idiot. We are protected by this.

Will also see how the acts after he loses the senate. Those cucks will be culled lol.

I bet by the end of a second term trump will be a liberal again, And the same people who felt cucked by the Republican party will feel cucked again. But they will be back to just be making fun of Jeb Bush's Mexican kids and be harmless again.


compared to bush? sure. trump did not start a full blown war (yet), he 'just' navigated america to the brink of it by unilaterally, and against the warnings of even his own military and foreign policy advisors, withdrawing from a deal that demonstrably halted their nuclear weapons program. that does, however, not mean that he was 'tamer' than obama (who admittedly had a terrible foreign policy record as well, just to be crystal clear about that).

wasn't trump's very first operation a massive failure that resulted in american death(s) in yemen? he also massively expanded drone strikes, and requirements to report on civilian casualties. that's not what i would consider 'pretty tame':

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/

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compared to bush? sure. trump did not start a full blown war (yet), he 'just' navigated america to the brink of it by unilaterally, and against the warnings of even his own military and foreign policy advisors, withdrawing from a nuclear deal that demonstrably halted their nuclear weapons program. that does, however, not mean that he was 'tamer' than obama (who admittedly had a terrible foreign policy record as well).

wasn't trump's very first operation he ordered a massive failure that resulted in american death(s), i think in yemen? he also massively expanded drone strikes, and requirements to report on civilian casualties. that's not what i would consider 'pretty tame':

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/


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compared to bush? sure. trump did not start a full blown war (yet), he 'just' navigated america to the brink of it by unilaterally, and against the warnings of even his own military and foreign policy advisors, withdrawing from a deal that demonstrably halted their nuclear weapons program. that does, however, not mean that he was 'tamer' than obama (who admittedly had a terrible foreign policy record as well, just to be crystal clear about that).

wasn't trump's very first operation a massive failure that resulted in american death(s) in yemen? he also massively expanded drone strikes, and requirements to report on civilian casualties. that's not what i would consider 'pretty tame':

https://merip.org/2018/02/trumps-drone-surge/


He blasted one dude with a drone, a guy with a lot of our blood on his hands.

Military partisans are participants in a dangerous social contract with different standards than the rest of us.

Apparently there was a second commander we missed. I would be in a bunker if I were him.

I don't like having a government at all. The only way to avoid people killing each other with robots across the earth is the dissolution of governments :)

What he did is objectively insane, but the human race are the most careless defectors the planet has ever seen.

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Jan 11 2020 10:14am
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He blasted one dude with a drone, a guy with a lot of our blood on his hands.

Military partisans are participants in a dangerous social contract with different standards than the rest of us.

Apparently there was a second commander we missed. I would be in a bunker if I were him.

I don't like having a government at all. The only way to avoid people killing each other with robots across the earth is the dissolution of governments :)

What he did is objectively insane, but the human race are the most careless defectors the planet has ever seen.

that only happens if everyone loses the knowledge to build and operate them.
someone will always lead, others will always follow. it is a natural thing, even in nurturing.
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Jan 11 2020 10:49am
previously, there might have been a window of opportunity for Iran to pick up international support, for example from China or liberals in the West. this possibility is probably off the table now.
so, in this sense, the airplane tragedy might have one good aspect: it makes it more unlikely for Iran to escalate things even further by launching retaliatory strikes which hit more than empty warehouses. :huh:
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Jan 11 2020 11:24am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 11 2020 11:49am)
previously, there might have been a window of opportunity for Iran to pick up international support, for example from China or liberals in the West. this possibility is probably off the table now.
so, in this sense, the airplane tragedy might have one good aspect: it makes it more unlikely for Iran to escalate things even further by launching retaliatory strikes which hit more than empty warehouses. :huh:


Shooting the general was probably bad politically though. It is an obvious distraction from impeachment, which is kind of a nothingburger that is going to just peter out on its own, and it is giving his political enemies a good talking point in that he assassinated a general during peacetime, and since the only legal way to do this is to produce evidence that it was to prevent an imminent attack, it could lead to another "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" moment for the Republican party and the US is pretty sick of that tbh.

The cultist won't be swayed at all but Independents and Conservatives may be if there is a real alternative in a primary challenger or from the Dems in the general election as long as Trump keeps producing chinks in his armor.

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