we know that you’re emotionally invested in this whole thing resulting in “drumpf collusion with ‘russia’ to hack the election”. mueller got you catching feelings and has swatted you down twice now on the matter.

he must be colluding with ‘russia’ too! if buzzfeed or vox reported “some anonymous sources” said this you’d probably believe it lmfao

e: reported, btw

This post was edited by excellence on Apr 5 2019 07:50am

I have to agree with Black XistenZ in this case...

1. A lot of FBI "anonymous sources" could easily be protecting themselves. The FBI hasn't really been on the up and up too much in the past... say, 8 years.
2. Same for media types. Their first concern is keeping their job, THEN reporting the news. More or less, for two years at least, they have been on a search and destroy mission, not just a search and report mission.


Where are all these "books" that will explain all the horrible details about the evil orange man? They've all been debunked, that's where. These days, anonymous sources, are NOT usually on the up and up, they are more like political stooges.
Where are all these "tapes" from either Cohen or that political aide girl? Debunked ofc.

How about just the general folk that have been involved? Avenatti, all the #metoo women, which turned out to be about 5? In the past two years out of hundreds of anonymous sources, and general folk, MOST have been total BS.

Hell, we've even had lots of folks, lying right to congress about various political things. Blasey Ford, just to name one?



It seems the days of the regular politics (campaign platforms where the candidate only lies about promises), are over. Now we seem to have more of a... BS the American people through every possible method, game going on.
The speed and prevalence of the internet has a lot to do with this seeming sea-change in politics. Politics has invaded, everything on the internet. It's not surprising that some folk weren't expecting these all invasive tactics and were taken in by it. Like, "yeah, well local news may be biased, but the info from the internet is sacrosanct.

Americans went through a lot of similar crap when television fist became commonplace as well. It's like everyone with a smart phone thinks they have insider information into everything.
One day, this assumption will be mostly true. When joe-everyone is a LOT better at sifting the internet for reliable information. Right now they are like babes in the woods, getting taken in by everyone.



/e Here is the latest, perfect example of what I'm trying to say...





Declaring a national emergency IS allowed by the president, yet here we have 20 states intimating that the president is acting illegally by doing so. Ofc the fact that the states filing the motion just happen to be BLUE states, with very large numbers of illegals living there.

It's pretty much the same on the "citizenship question on the census" issue that about 16 states are up in arms about. They're making it sound like it's about keeping voters away from the polls, when in fact illegals shouldn't BE voting in the first place. Nor should states get massive amounts of Fed money or congressional seats because of massive amounts of illegals in their states.

But to hear the internet talk... in both cases, Trump and/or his administration are the bad guys, even though Trump and his administration are well within the law concerning emergency declarations and wanting illegals, out.

This post was edited by Ghot on Apr 5 2019 08:18am

There are Republicans that are opposed to abusing and misusing national emergency declarations as a last ditch effort after failing in congress and after failing with the coulter/limbaugh shut down to fulfill campaign promises (sorta as the actual promise was that mexico would pay) as well

and I have no doubt when the Democrats take over and try to pull something similar (because that's always what happens in politics) you'll be a complete hypocrite as usual when that time comes

If you seriously believe this, you havent been paying attention to what Harris, O'Rourke and others have been saying on the campaign trail...

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-remnant-with-jonah-goldberg/e/59804447?autoplay=true

Start at 48:50 for a discussion between two conservatives dissecting the Mueller findings. Jonah describes my thoughts better than I could.

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 6 2019 10:35am

my favorite kind of conservatives

ones that can have a objective reflective substantive conversation without screaming over the top meme-like defensiveness and triggering

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I like the james bond/austin powers comparison

and what was said on the process crimes so far

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Good convo

This post was edited by Beowulf on Apr 6 2019 11:16am

His emergency declaration is an end run around the Constitutional authority granted to Congress to appropriate funds. No previous emergency declaration by any President has been done in this fashion.