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People never learn


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...and let's just assume we take in every mistreated person in the world...where we gonna put them all?

How about we just take in half the mistreated people in the world...or a quarter, where do we draw the line.


For the 50ieth time. The solution is to help them in their countries. Nothing else is workable.


How are you going to "help them in their counties" when you are largely responsible for the mess in the first place?
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Jun 29 2018 08:09am
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What’s wrong?
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What’s wrong?


whos your multi?
some welcher?
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Jun 29 2018 08:12am
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whos your multi?
some welcher?



I could say the same about you.

07 with only 8k posts. You seem guilty don’t you?
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whos your multi?
some welcher?



You disappeared quick.
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So far in 2018, just 275 people out of the 252,187 arrests at the US-Mexico border have been members of MS-13 (0.11%). Only 0.2% of all arrests at the US-Mexico border are of gang members.

Source: Cato Institute, U.S. Customs and Border Protections
https://www.cato.org/blog/01-border-patrol-arrests-are-ms-13
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

Trump is misrepresenting MS-13 and gang illegal immigration to fear-monger and rally his base. It's an intentionally dishonest, racist tactic.
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Jun 29 2018 08:04pm
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https://i.imgur.com/DEYPmCw.jpg

So far in 2018, just 275 people out of the 252,187 arrests at the US-Mexico border have been members of MS-13 (0.11%). Only 0.2% of all arrests at the US-Mexico border are of gang members.

Source: Cato Institute, U.S. Customs and Border Protections
https://www.cato.org/blog/01-border-patrol-arrests-are-ms-13
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

Trump is misrepresenting MS-13 and gang illegal immigration to fear-monger and rally his base. It's an intentionally dishonest, racist tactic.




It isn't just about gangs. It's about numbers.
We can't even afford to take care of our own poor let alone other country's poor and down trodden.

When we're talking immigration, we need to keep the big picture in mind.
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Jun 29 2018 08:37pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jun 29 2018 10:00pm)
https://i.imgur.com/DEYPmCw.jpg

So far in 2018, just 275 people out of the 252,187 arrests at the US-Mexico border have been members of MS-13 (0.11%). Only 0.2% of all arrests at the US-Mexico border are of gang members.

Source: Cato Institute, U.S. Customs and Border Protections
https://www.cato.org/blog/01-border-patrol-arrests-are-ms-13
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

Trump is misrepresenting MS-13 and gang illegal immigration to fear-monger and rally his base. It's an intentionally dishonest, racist tactic.


1. The statistics are apprehensions.
2. It is not 'racist' or 'intentionally dishonest' to mention extremely violent gangs when talking about immigration. Find your balls, sir.
3. Confirmed MS-13 members apprehended at the border do not have to be a large percentage of total apprehensions or arrests in order for it to be relevant or good to stop them, or for the serious problems that gangs like MS-13 and others are causing to be real, or to recognize a difference in position between the democrats and himself.
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Jun 29 2018 08:53pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 29 Jun 2018 21:37)
1. The statistics are apprehensions.
2. It is not 'racist' or 'intentionally dishonest' to mention extremely violent gangs when talking about immigration. Find your balls, sir.
3. Confirmed MS-13 members apprehended at the border do not have to be a large percentage of total apprehensions or arrests in order for it to be relevant or good to stop them, or for the serious problems that gangs like MS-13 and others are causing to be real, or to recognize a difference in position between the democrats and himself.


It's an egregious and intentional misrepresentation of the facts.

Obviously I agree that any nonzero illegal immigration of MS-13 members is bad, but the amount of instances Trump has used MS-13 in his rhetoric is vastly disproportional to the studied magnitude of the actual problem.

It's a fear-mongering tactic, plain and simple.
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