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Dec 28 2014 05:22pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 28 2014 03:37pm)
Abe now has time to build spears to enforce his claim over the lake.  He can do whatever he likes


And uses fish that his former friends catch for him to hire mercenaries to force his former friends to keep working. They are named Pinkertons.
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Dec 29 2014 12:55am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 28 2014 01:38pm)
Monopoly law is not necessary to rebut a strawman. He failed to rebut anything about the case as presented.
Simply claiming he owns the entire lake is not how it works.
The equipment Able has belongs to him not because of magic or god, but because he took risks and made it himself. Who else should it belong to, You?
The cartoon walks you through the scenario with easily digestible logic and explains how communistic and violent alternatives discourage production and savings.
If someone else wants to use his property, aka the Net, yes if they agree to a deal it would be voluntary mutually beneficial exchange.


The cartoon doesn't delve into property law at all, and its setting (an anarchistic island) conveniently avoids the issue that economic gains are made on the back of communal infrastructure.

In this simple setting, sure, he has a right to defend the production he generates with his net. But what's stopping the man with the club from using his ingenuity (force) to acquire the net and fish?
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This post was edited by duffman316 on Dec 29 2014 01:56am
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Quote (killg0re @ Dec 29 2014 08:34am)
https://i.imgur.com/JdaAzqL.png


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Dec 29 2014 11:48am
Quote (RiskOfFire @ Dec 27 2014 05:24pm)
That's a very cute little bullshit story but then there's reality of how free markets work...
Able says he owns the lake, and his private property rights mean Baker and Charlie can't fish there anymore but if they work for Able he'll pay them each half a fish a day so long as they catch him 5 fish a day each.  Then Baker and Charlie can rent a shelter from Able for a quarter fish a day, and don't forget the equipment they are using, that belongs to Able to, because of his God-given property rights and all. Baker and Charlie can rent that off of him too for another 1/8 of a fish a day.  Don't forget this is all voluntary mutually beneficial exchange because if Able didn't let Baker and Charlie work for him on his divine private property they wouldn't have any fish at all.  Able is a saint, a living deity.


Outside of your cutesy little bullshit in bold, thanks for reinforcing his point. Baker and Charlie are more than subsisting now, they have improved shelter, fishing gear, and savings on top of their living needs. They are better off, and so is Able. Stay butthurt though.

Quote (Skinned @ Dec 28 2014 05:22pm)
And uses fish that his former friends catch for him to hire mercenaries to force his former friends to keep working.  They are named Pinkertons.


Pinkertons were good people, looking for honest work. It took murderous union thugs to make them famous.
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Dec 29 2014 11:58am
Quote (Santara @ Dec 29 2014 12:48pm)
Pinkertons were good people, looking for honest work. It took murderous union thugs to make them famous.


Lol, and so were the Brown Coats.
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Quote (Skinned @ Dec 29 2014 11:58am)
Lol, and so were the Brown Coats.


Right, because those Jews were stealing people's property at gunpoint... <_<
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Dec 29 2014 12:05pm
Quote (Santara @ Dec 29 2014 01:04pm)
Right, because those Jews were stealing people's property at gunpoint...  <_<


You have a strange view of what unions are. At least you're okay with forcing people to work at gun point and live in indentured servitude. Not sure where your moral compass points to or from.

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Quote (Skinned @ Dec 29 2014 12:05pm)
You have a strange view of what unions are.  At least you're okay with forcing people to work at gun point and live in indentured servitude.  Not sure where your moral compass points to or from.


Strange view of what THAT union was/did =/= "what unions are." For a society emerging out of basic subsistence, I am not surprised that indentured servitude was a phase of it. Stating that I am okay with it now, or forcing people to work at gunpoint is an outright fabrication. Try harder next time.
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