There are alot of wacky comments being made in the media this morning. its like...christmas. so many little gems appearing. Russia has not won. Russia has lost over a million men, its "gains" in Ukraine are negligible and it is no longer a threat to Europe. it could not defeat Ukraine in two years let alone have the ability to attack the Baltic states.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 24 2025 03:54am

I kinda don't think so.... let me explain in my own words and feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I would appreciate your viewpoint.

The thing is if Russians were a mostly black community and the head of state is call Dikembe Mutombo (NBA) .

The Dems will still do the same thing, simply because the Blacks in Russia do not count as they have no effect on the outcome of elections.

But I would also like to add, they also need to have Nukes. If they are black and have no nukes and they can influence the for example the African community in USA since they have kinship and genetic stock, that will be a whole different ball game which the Dems might do what you say

I might sound rather simplistic in the way I am trying to convey, so pardon me on this.

If Russia had no Nukes Ukraine would have won a long time ago. the US would have bombed the living daylights out of them, because they could.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 24 2025 04:09am

50 ml of vodka, 50 ml of coffee liqueur

I don't think you get what I mean. We are talking about Dems and how if the race is flipped how they would react and the underlying conditions.

It is akin to how some Muslim terrorists are evil to the core which must be destroyed to the last one and how the Muslim in China Xinjiang region are considered heroes and freedom fighters and must be supported at all cost.

fair enough.

I literally said nothing else is different but their race, so they'd still have the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

if anyone wants a laugh, from 17:55 here, on Kaja Kallas

As the narrative collapses and pundits are running out of takes to spin - we are fast approaching a discursive environment in which diplomacy with Russia is itself "Russian" and therefore bad.

I mean, those takes are clearly hyperbole, but there is a grain or truth to it. Bear with me: Let's assume for a moment that Trump's peace plan goes through mostly as proposed and that the US security guarantees to Ukraine prove reliable over the following years - what would Russia have accomplished in the end, compared with the status quo ante in January 2022?

They would have captured the third of Donetsk/Luhansk which they were still missing back then, they would have taken a small strip of mostly depopulated and not very resource-rich land between the Donbass and Crimea, and they would have gotten Ukraine to officially acknowledge the secession of Crimea and the Donbas. Ukraine, on the other hand, would have defended its autonomy and could join the EU and now has US security guarantees which prevent Russia from pushing them around or taking more of their territory in the future. Meanwhile, Finland and Sweden have joined NATO and NATO is now much more alert to any Russian actions in general. The West is re-arming, which according to the Russian theory of the case forces Russia to keep spending bigger sums on its own military in the coming years than they would like to.

All in all, this outcome is still a "win" for Russia (rather than a loss, lmao), but it's a far smaller win than what they were going for. And it would indeed be valid to question whether such an outcome was actually worth the death toll and the economic disruption. The answer is probably a "yes", but only narrowly so.




On the other hand, if the peace plan ends up being trash, Ukraine gives up its most fortified positions in the Donbas (Kramatorsk/Sloviansk), Russia keeps attacking and the US goes back on its security guarantees, leaves Ukraine high and dry, then this plan would be a huge boon to Russia. So long story short, we're back at my previous point that the specifics and the reliabiltiy of those security guarantees will be the crux in all of this.