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far-rght party wins in italy. thats EU news.
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Quote (ferdia @ Sep 26 2022 01:42pm)
far-rght party wins in italy. thats EU news.


Inb4 's mad rant calling them nazis, fascists etc etc ^_^
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Quote (ferdia @ Sep 26 2022 06:42am)
far-rght party wins in italy. thats EU news.


Quote (Djunior @ Sep 26 2022 07:00am)
Inb4 ^fender 's mad rant calling them nazis, fascists etc etc ^_^



The news I have seen about this basically say the party started back after Mussolini died as the new fascist party. Although the members of the party have denounced fascism, whatever right wing = fascist.

So by this logic the American Democratic Party is still the slavery party.

Not saying it is but this is literally the only American news I have seen about this. They denounce fascism but they are still fascists. This word has no meaning.
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Giorgia Meloni (Italian pronunciation: [ˈdʒordʒa meˈloːni]; born 15 January 1977) is an Italian politician and journalist. A member of the Chamber of Deputies in Italy since 2006, she currently heads the Brothers of Italy (FdI) political party, and has been the president of the European Conservatives and Reformists Party since 2020.

Born in Rome, Meloni joined Youth Front, the youth wing of the neo-fascist political party Italian Social Movement (MSI) in 1992. Later she became the national leader of Student Action, the student movement of National Alliance (AN). She was a councilor of the Province of Rome from 1998 to 2002, after which she became the president of Youth Action, the youth wing of AN. In 2008, she was appointed Minister of Youth in the Berlusconi IV Cabinet, a role which she held until 2011. In 2012, she co-founded Brothers of Italy (FdI) and became its president in 2014. She took part in the 2014 European Parliament election, and in the 2016 Rome municipal election as a mayoral candidate; she ended up not getting elected in both elections. After the 2018 general election, she led FdI into the opposition during the entire parliamentary legislature, letting FdI grow its popularity in the opinion polls, particularly during the Draghi Cabinet, in which FdI was the only opposition party. Her FdI topped at the first place in the 2022 general election.

A right-wing populist and nationalist, her political positions have been described as far-right. She is opposed to abortions, euthanasia, and to partnerships, marriages, and parenting by same-sex couples, instead asserting that nuclear families are exclusively headed by male-female pairs. Opposed to the reception of non-European migrants and multiculturalism, she has been accused of xenophobia and Islamophobia. A supporter of NATO, she maintains Eurosceptic views regarding the European Union and was in favour of better relations with Russia before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine which she condemned, pledging to keep sending arms to Ukraine. She has expressed controversial views, such as praising Italian dictator Benito Mussolini in 1996, and Giorgio Almirante in 2020, a Nazi collaborator and co-founder of MSI.

and here is the definition of far right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

lets see what happens in the next 5-10 years.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 24 2022 11:00pm)
The point is not about whether Meloni and her party are neo-fascists, the point is why people are suddenly willing to vote for such a party when they weren't in the not-so-distant past. It's really simple: a significant chunk of voters disagreed with the official line on the mass migration from Africa/the Middle East, but instead of some of the mainstream parties making them an offer, they labeled these people as nazis/fascists/racists and basically went "we're not really gonna change course and if you're looking for a democratic alternative, tough luck". They were basically daring these people to vote for the far-right and banked on a critical mass of disgruntled voters being held back by the stigma. It worked, to some degree, for some time. But like I said, this is a card that our political elites could only play once and its effect is clearly starting to wear thin.

And more importantly: all the voters who crossed the rubicon once and brought themselves to vote for a far-right party will have a much easier time doing it again when they're unhappy with the current state of affairs, say because of covid, because of the inflation/energy crisis, or whatever wedge issue there will be in the future. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you won't get it back in again. I doubt that the idiots in Brussels or Berlin have fully realized yet how much long-term damage they inflicted on their own cause over the past decade.


this was a good post.

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Quote (YeeHaw @ Sep 26 2022 02:06pm)
The news I have seen about this basically say the party started back after Mussolini died as the new fascist party. Although the members of the party have denounced fascism, whatever right wing = fascist.

So by this logic the American Democratic Party is still the slavery party.

Not saying it is but this is literally the only American news I have seen about this. They denounce fascism but they are still fascists. This word has no meaning.


At this point basically all people on the right are fascists according to lefty "progressives" and mainstream media.

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Eiffel Tower Turning Off Lights Early To Save Electricity

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1574483304786821120

I think the symbolism of this is pretty strong tbh. I would say this is one of if not the most iconic thing in France that's recognizable by the whole world. Are the savings really that significant? IMO to me the signal of "we are struggling" actually is more damaging than wasting a few thousand euros more on keeping this thing lit.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 26 Sep 2022 21:52)
Eiffel Tower Turning Off Lights Early To Save Electricity

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1574483304786821120

I think the symbolism of this is pretty strong tbh. I would say this is one of if not the most iconic thing in France that's recognizable by the whole world. Are the savings really that significant? IMO to me the signal of "we are struggling" actually is more damaging than wasting a few thousand euros more on keeping this thing lit.


I think the symbolism is very deliberate - but it's directed at their own people. It's imho supposed to signal that the situation is serious and everyone is asked to save energy wherever they can, with the state very visibly acting as a role model.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 26 2022 03:58pm)
I think the symbolism is very deliberate - but it's directed at their own people. It's imho supposed to signal that the situation is serious and everyone is asked to save energy wherever they can, with the state very visibly acting as a role model.


Glass half full type of guy. Good point.

Maybe you're right but sometimes such symbols are visualizations of hope, normalcy, everything is fine, etc. In a time of crisis it might be best to be wasteful just to portray confidence. It's like in times of great wars, authorities still want to have clubs, restaurants, theatres, etc functioning. Obviously energy shortages today don't reach those levels of severity though.
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Inb4 fascism was born in Italy.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 26 Sep 2022 22:05)
Glass half full type of guy. Good point.

Maybe you're right but sometimes such symbols are visualizations of hope, normalcy, everything is fine, etc. In a time of crisis it might be best to be wasteful just to portray confidence. It's like in times of great wars, authorities still want to have clubs, restaurants, theatres, etc functioning. Obviously energy shortages today don't reach those levels of severity though.


Imho, there is a game of poker/chicken going on between Europe and Russia right now, both sides are bluffing, but they're using different methods for their bluff. Russia is trying to portray the situation at home as perfectly normal, stores full of cheap food, clubs and theaters open, etc. They're trying to send a message to the West that the economic sanctions don't hurt them in a meaningful way, everything is fine, nothing to see here. The West isn't even trying to pretend like the cut of Russian energy supplies doesn't hurt, they're trying to project determination and willingness to sacrifice. The message they want to send to Russia is that they will not let up in their support for Ukraine even if they have to endure economic pain because of it, that Russia will not be able to crack or divide them.

This of course goes back to the different timescales both sides operate on in the economic war. Russia's leverage and European suffering is greatest in the near-term future, but will abate over time while the Western sanctions will only unleash their full potential on the Russian economy in the medium-term. European leaders can be (somewhat) honest with their people: "yes, things will suck for a while, but it will get better". Putin cannot be honest and tell his people "we can paper over the Western sanctions for a while, but the long-term decline of our country is sealed".

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