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Sep 24 2022 03:11pm
Sometimes I feel you guys just don't appreciate what an awesome duty the neoliberals, WEF, Ursula and Klaus Schwab have
They carry the mantle of responsibility for democracy in our world. And it is far too fragile and precious to be left in the hands of an ignorant voting public. Its their burden to make sure democracy and liberty and freedom can't be threatened by the self-determination of a voting public. Imagine a world where people were left to make their own collective decisions without the guiding hand of the new world order. Muslims would vote for a Muslim society. Hindus would vote for a Hindu society. Millions of economic refugees would be stuck in Africa. The Ukrainians would still have a pro-Russian president and no war, the Italians would be allowed to elect the new Mussolini. The global homogeny would be under assault from all kinds of self-interested groups. We should be thankful that the upper crust of our society has taken upon themselves the task of making sure the common rabble won't be able to threaten democracy with their reckless and uncultured beliefs.
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Sep 24 2022 03:16pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 24 Sep 2022 23:11)
Sometimes I feel you guys just don't appreciate what an awesome duty the neoliberals, WEF, Ursula and Klaus Schwab have
They carry the mantle of responsibility for democracy in our world. And it is far too fragile and precious to be left in the hands of an ignorant voting public. Its their burden to make sure democracy and liberty and freedom can't be threatened by the self-determination of a voting public. Imagine a world where people were left to make their own collective decisions without the guiding hand of the new world order. Muslims would vote for a Muslim society. Hindus would vote for a Hindu society. Millions of economic refugees would be stuck in Africa. The Ukrainians would still have a pro-Russian president and no war, the Italians would be allowed to elect the new Mussolini. The global homogeny would be under assault from all kinds of self-interested groups. We should be thankful that the upper crust of our society has taken upon themselves the task of making sure the common rabble won't be able to threaten democracy with their reckless and uncultured beliefs.


you could have just said that you too have no clue what she ACTUALLY said, lol. also, nice dogwhistles, we all know what WEF stands for when you far-right nutjobs talk about it...
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Sep 24 2022 04:00pm
Quote (fender @ 24 Sep 2022 22:19)
yeah right, because calling proud neo-fascists "neo-fascist" is a way of trying to suppress reasonable dissent, lol. as if this forum needed even more bootlickers for mussolini and almirante fans...


The point is not about whether Meloni and her party are neo-fascists, the point is why people are suddenly willing to vote for such a party when they weren't in the not-so-distant past. It's really simple: a significant chunk of voters disagreed with the official line on the mass migration from Africa/the Middle East, but instead of some of the mainstream parties making them an offer, they labeled these people as nazis/fascists/racists and basically went "we're not really gonna change course and if you're looking for a democratic alternative, tough luck". They were basically daring these people to vote for the far-right and banked on a critical mass of disgruntled voters being held back by the stigma. It worked, to some degree, for some time. But like I said, this is a card that our political elites could only play once and its effect is clearly starting to wear thin.

And more importantly: all the voters who crossed the rubicon once and brought themselves to vote for a far-right party will have a much easier time doing it again when they're unhappy with the current state of affairs, say because of covid, because of the inflation/energy crisis, or whatever wedge issue there will be in the future. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you won't get it back in again. I doubt that the idiots in Brussels or Berlin have fully realized yet how much long-term damage they inflicted on their own cause over the past decade.

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Sep 24 2022 05:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 24 2022 03:00pm)
The point is not about whether Meloni and her party are neo-fascists, the point is why people are suddenly willing to vote for such a party when they weren't in the not-so-distant past. It's really simple: a significant chunk of voters disagreed with the official line on the mass migration from Africa/the Middle East, but instead of some of the mainstream parties making them an offer, they labeled these people as nazis/fascists/racists and basically went "we're not really gonna change course and if you're looking for a democratic alternative, tough luck". They were basically daring these people to vote for the far-right and banked on a critical mass of disgruntled voters being held back by the stigma. It worked, to some degree, for some time. But like I said, this is a card that our political elites could only play once and its effect is clearly starting to wear thin.

And more importantly: all the voters who crossed the rubicon once and brought themselves to vote for a far-right party will have a much easier time doing it again when they're unhappy with the current state of affairs, say because of covid, because of the inflation/energy crisis, or whatever wedge issue there will be in the future. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you won't get it back in again. I doubt that the idiots in Brussels or Berlin have fully realized yet how much long-term damage they inflicted on their own cause over the past decade.


I remember reading an article where a young Italian woman heard about a bunch of Africans that drowned in the Mediterranean because their boat capsized. Dozens of bodies washed up on the shore and the consensus among her and her friends is that this was a good thing. Everyone likes to pretend that Europeans are super progressive but when the chips are on the table, we know where they will fall.
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Sep 24 2022 05:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 24 2022 04:00pm)
The point is not about whether Meloni and her party are neo-fascists, the point is why people are suddenly willing to vote for such a party when they weren't in the not-so-distant past. It's really simple: a significant chunk of voters disagreed with the official line on the mass migration from Africa/the Middle East, but instead of some of the mainstream parties making them an offer, they labeled these people as nazis/fascists/racists and basically went "we're not really gonna change course and if you're looking for a democratic alternative, tough luck". They were basically daring these people to vote for the far-right and banked on a critical mass of disgruntled voters being held back by the stigma. It worked, to some degree, for some time. But like I said, this is a card that our political elites could only play once and its effect is clearly starting to wear thin.

And more importantly: all the voters who crossed the rubicon once and brought themselves to vote for a far-right party will have a much easier time doing it again when they're unhappy with the current state of affairs, say because of covid, because of the inflation/energy crisis, or whatever wedge issue there will be in the future. Once the genie is out of the bottle, you won't get it back in again. I doubt that the idiots in Brussels or Berlin have fully realized yet how much long-term damage they inflicted on their own cause over the past decade.


Even if they have, I doubt they will ever acknowledge they share part of the blame. It *definitely* can't be that people who are constantly demonized against are more inclined to align against those who demonize them.
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Sep 24 2022 05:34pm
Not surprising that they vote for hardline right. A sizeable amount of Italians are inherently racist.
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Sep 24 2022 05:44pm
Quote (thundercock @ 25 Sep 2022 01:14)
I remember reading an article where a young Italian woman heard about a bunch of Africans that drowned in the Mediterranean because their boat capsized. Dozens of bodies washed up on the shore and the consensus among her and her friends is that this was a good thing. Everyone likes to pretend that Europeans are super progressive but when the chips are on the table, we know where they will fall.


It's not even just the migration crisis from 2015 ff. For example, even back in 2011 and 2012, German newspapers were full of articles about the lazy, undeserving Greek who want to have an easy life on German taxpayer money while the Greek newspapers were full of depictions of Merkel as Hitler or how Berlin and Brussels want to suck Greece dry and force them into debt servitude. Both perspectives are of course just two sides of the same coin, namely that the Eurozone is an artificial building which tries to tie together vastly different economies and fiscal traditions which are so far apart that meaningful compromise is impossible.

Simply put, the EU and the mainstream parties in Europe have long been pursuing extremely divisive policies which ultimately hurt a majority of Europeans, but serve their own power and the profit interests of their corporate overlords. Far-right parties had long been trying to benefit from the political dissatisfaction caused by these policies, but with relatively limited success. The migration crisis was the moment when Brussels elites went one step too far and the dam broke. Ever since then, the cordon sanitaire which had kept far right parties unpalatable to the middle of the electorate is showing more and more cracks. The "coarsening of morals" that you mention has been building for a long time.

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Sep 24 2022 05:57pm
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 25 2022 01:14am)
I remember reading an article where a young Italian woman heard about a bunch of Africans that drowned in the Mediterranean because their boat capsized. Dozens of bodies washed up on the shore and the consensus among her and her friends is that this was a good thing. Everyone likes to pretend that Europeans are super progressive but when the chips are on the table, we know where they will fall.


at least these migrants get the darwin award

its something
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Sep 25 2022 02:09am
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 25 2022 01:14am)
I remember reading an article where a young Italian woman heard about a bunch of Africans that drowned in the Mediterranean because their boat capsized. Dozens of bodies washed up on the shore and the consensus among her and her friends is that this was a good thing. Everyone likes to pretend that Europeans are super progressive but when the chips are on the table, we know where they will fall.


I remember the "progressive" lefties setting up a taxi service, picking up migrants from boats while they were crossing. The people smugglers reacted by leaving the immigrant boats floating at sea without the outboard engines so they could use that engine for the next lot, reasoning the lefties would pick up the migrants and ferry them over.

So much win
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Quote (Djunior @ Sep 25 2022 01:09am)
I remember the "progressive" lefties setting up a taxi service, picking up migrants from boats while they were crossing. The people smugglers reacted by leaving the immigrant boats floating at sea without the outboard engines so they could use that engine for the next lot, reasoning the lefties would pick up the migrants and ferry them over.

So much win


Regardless, dead Africans is a win for everyone, right?
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