Quote (inkanddagger @ 27 Aug 2021 17:15)
The Afghanistan pullout has been mostly fine, just too slow. Biden shouldn’t have been allowed to extend the deadline for getting out past May. But you can’t blame Biden for ISIS bombing people. Trump claimed that he totally defeated ISIS. How could Biden have known Trump was lying?
mostly peaceful protest mostly successful withdrawal 
But I agree, we can't directly blame Biden for yesterday's suicide attack. Something like that was inevitable once the situation at Kabul airport emerged two weeks ago.
Quote (thesnipa @ 27 Aug 2021 16:51)
arming rebels that turn to enemies that turn to rebels again to get rearmed, leaving soldiers behind, unnecessarily provoking people then bombing them, bungled pullouts, massive loss of arms and infrastructure left behind, and failed rebuilding of prop govts, etc, is exactly how the US has operated the entire time Biden has been in politics, or even as long as he's been alive.
it's all a failed attempt to relive WW2, come in, get the bad guys, invest in their economy under deals that favor us in the long term so we make money on it, and bounce back to the US for infrastructure upgrades with all of the sacks of gold teeth we confiscated.
we're just flubbing the investments, didnt get gold teeth, and "infrastructure" now means "make women feel pretty even if they're fat".
Agreed. What the U.S. seemingly still doesn't understand is that the nation building efforts in the wake of WW2 only succeeded because the axis countries were all advanced, industrialized nations with strong institutions, an educated population and a strong civil society. Germany, Italy, Japan and so on were all first world nations in which all the conditions for democracy were in place, they had just got taken over by fascism by a series of unfortunate events and developments.
These examples absolutely cannot be compared with places like Afghanistan. I'm convinced that each nation will, in the long run, take its "rightful" place in the global pecking order, based on the country's economic, cultural and societal strength. This is why places like China, South Korea and Vietnam were able to eventually flourish in spite of authoritarian governments while places like Afghanistan or Somalia will still be shitholes 100 years from now.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 27 2021 11:42am