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Nov 19 2023 08:44am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Nov 19 2023 02:30pm)
Can we stop calling it ethnic cleansing and call it what it is, genocide. Whether you think it's Russia in Donbas or Israel in Gaza. Double speak terminology not helping, leading to stupid definition arguments.


The crux in the definition is proving intent. It is almost impossible to prove in real time. Putin is not coming out and declaring to wipe out all Ukrainians in the east of Ukraine.

But if you judge the actions the intent is pretty clear.

As for Israel actions, I'm not convinced. If they wanted to Gaza could cease to exist today, not tomorrow.
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Nov 19 2023 08:59am
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The crux in the definition is proving intent. It is almost impossible to prove in real time. Putin is not coming out and declaring to wipe out all Ukrainians in the east of Ukraine.

But if you judge the actions the intent is pretty clear.

As for Israel actions, I'm not convinced. If they wanted to Gaza could cease to exist today, not tomorrow.


First we have to precisely name the neo-zionist branch and not whole Israel, but it's correct that Likud leads the Israeli state so... Yeah... (no, im not anti-seismic)

- Imho right the definition is already complex and it's called genocide when things are appearing so blatantly it's almost impossible to refute.
- Now regarding Israel, putting aside the invasion, then illegal steal of properties [illegal following UN vote] => refugees in gaza => gaza getting bombed... We have 1 point which is often ignored: the poisoning of water slowly killing Palestinians. Because of economic destruction and all. This can be definitely included into a genocide narrative. Along with the global "slow genocide" which was characterized by many experts & schoolars anyway.
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Nov 19 2023 09:30am
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First we have to precisely name the neo-zionist branch and not whole Israel, but it's correct that Likud leads the Israeli state so... Yeah... (no, im not anti-seismic)

- Imho right the definition is already complex and it's called genocide when things are appearing so blatantly it's almost impossible to refute.
- Now regarding Israel, putting aside the invasion, then illegal steal of properties [illegal following UN vote] => refugees in gaza => gaza getting bombed... We have 1 point which is often ignored: the poisoning of water slowly killing Palestinians. Because of economic destruction and all. This can be definitely included into a genocide narrative. Along with the global "slow genocide" which was characterized by many experts & schoolars anyway.


There are so many ways to boost the genocide. By putting Gazans to concentration camps, making them wear a yellow crescent patch on their arms and control their population with gas chambers and free them through the labor. Oh, did it happen somewhere in time?
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Nov 19 2023 09:32am
Quote (Norlander @ 19 Nov 2023 17:30)
There are so many ways to boost the genocide. By putting Gazans to concentration camps, making them wear a yellow crescent patch on their arms and control their population with gas chambers and free them through the labor. Oh, did it happen somewhere in time?


Where is the genocide
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/gaza-population


But there you go… ethnic clensing
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Gaza once had a sizable Jewish community with a history going back 3,000 years. Most Jewish people in Gaza fled following the 1929 Palestine riots, and by 1945, there were 80 Jews in the city. No Jews are living in Gaza today.


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Quote (Many_Names @ 19 Nov 2023 18:32)


Cool stuff. Really. USSR increased it's population after WWII. Let's talk about the birds and the bees.
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There are so many ways to boost the genocide. By putting Gazans to concentration camps, making them wear a yellow crescent patch on their arms and control their population with gas chambers and free them through the labor. Oh, did it happen somewhere in time?


Above all, it is possible to do this in a disguised manner over a long period, using a very large number of small constraints and laws... As has been documented by experts from non-governmental organizations or by the UN.
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Above all, it is possible to do this in a disguised manner over a long period, using a very large number of small constraints and laws... As has been documented by experts from non-governmental organizations or by the UN.


Where is the genocide?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/gaza-population

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Quote (Many_Names @ 19 Nov 2023 16:45)
Where is the genocide?


Right next to the appartheid and the oppression.

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Right next to the appartheid and the oppression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig-MzZIQYy0


The numbers dont lie
https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/gaza-population

There is no apartheid since Gaza is not part of Israel

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 19 2023 09:50am
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Quote (Many_Names @ 19 Nov 2023 16:50)


When you are mixing population growth with genocidal long term policies.
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Gaza: UN experts call on international community to prevent genocide against the Palestinian people
16 November 2023
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

This article is a killer. Wait I manage to recover all the sources I posted in this thread and throw them in 1 post... Another day.
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