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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 19 2020 11:54pm)
Shitshow?

Where do randos get these assumptions from. 100% of news coverage these days is begging the question fallacy.



It’s a bunch of media spin. Florida is doing a fuck ton more testing that’s why they seem to be doing worse.

So far Florida has like 5k deaths compared to NY 32k even though Florida is like the geriatric capital of the world.
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Jul 20 2020 04:32pm
Florida is not doing “exponentially” more testing , the majority of states in the country now hVe adequate systems in place for rapid outpatient testing and screening. I can’t speak for every obviously, but I can speak for IA, WI, IL, and MI. It’s basically at the point where everyone who wants a test can get one.

If they are testing more, It’s gonna be fractionally more

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Florida is not doing “exponentially” more testing , the majority of states in the country now hVe adequate systems in place for rapid outpatient testing and screening. I can’t speak for every obviously, but I can speak for IA, WI, IL, and MI. It’s basically at the point where everyone who wants a test can get one.

If they are testing more, It’s gonna be fractionally more


He is parrotting Fox talking points. Everyone everywhere gets tested a lot.
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Jul 20 2020 07:25pm
His talking point is horsehit anyway:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/florida

As you can see, the positive rate in Florida currently stands at over 18%, which is skyhigh. The usual recommendation is that if this rate is above 7-10%, you're not testing enough and are missing significant parts of the ongoing infections.

If Florida's numbers had only gone up since mid-June because of increased testing while the actual infection level in the FL population remained flat, then the positve rate would have gone down, not up.
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His talking point is horsehit anyway:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states/florida

As you can see, the positive rate in Florida currently stands at over 18%, which is skyhigh. The usual recommendation is that if this rate is above 7-10%, you're not testing enough and are missing significant parts of the ongoing infections.

If Florida's numbers had only gone up since mid-June because of increased testing while the actual infection level in the FL population remained flat, then the positve rate would have gone down, not up.


Florida is fairing much better

Positive cases 360k, dead around 5k with a rate of approx 1.4%

New York

Positive cases 412k, dead around 32k with a rate of approx 7.7%

Mean age in NY 39
Mean Age in Florida is 42.2

Florida's population is 20.5% over 65 meanwhile NY's it's around 16.4%

I know cases are still in an uptrend in Florida but so far it's pretty obvious which state is fairing better. Something tells me Florida won't see NY's aggregate death count even though they are a much older state with a slightly higher population. Florida's response seems way better prepared and better run

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Florida is fairing much better
Positive cases 360k, dead around 5k with a rate of approx 1.4%
New York
Positive cases 412k, dead around 32k with a rate of approx 7.7%
Mean age in NY 39
Mean Age in Florida is 42.2
Florida's population is 20.5% over 65 meanwhile NY's it's around 16.4%
I know cases are still in an uptrend in Florida but so far it's pretty obvious which state is fairing better. Something tells me Florida won't see NY's aggregate death count even though they are a much older state with a slightly higher population. Florida's response seems way better prepared and better run


New York has much higher population density and got hit far earlier, so it's not necessarily apples to apples.
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New York has much higher population density and got hit far earlier, so it's not necessarily apples to apples.



Density would account for a higher positive count not a higher death %

In another month when Florida cases flatline we’ll get a better comparison.

And the whole point of highlighting Florida and their perceived mishandling of the virus is a limp wristed attempt at portraying a southern red state doing a shitty job with the virus. It’s about the 347th attempt since the virus started to politicize this pandemic.

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Quote (ofthevoid @ 21 Jul 2020 06:05)
Florida is fairing much better

Positive cases 360k, dead around 5k with a rate of approx 1.4%

New York

Positive cases 412k, dead around 32k with a rate of approx 7.7%

Mean age in NY 39
Mean Age in Florida is 42.2

Florida's population is 20.5% over 65 meanwhile NY's it's around 16.4%

I know cases are still in an uptrend in Florida but so far it's pretty obvious which state is fairing better. Something tells me Florida won't see NY's aggregate death count even though they are a much older state with a slightly higher population. Florida's response seems way better prepared and better run


It's too early to tell, keep in mind that deaths are lagging cases by at least 4 weeks on average, so the surge in cases since mid-June is barely reflected in the death numbers yet. And we dont know how long the case numbers will plateau at the current, very high level. NYC eventually enacted a fairly strict lockdown to get its outbreak under control; I really dont see Florida ever doing something similar. So a lot will depend on whether their case numbers will eventually peter out even without a lockdown, or whether they remain high for months.

What we can already tell is that Florida has allowed the virus to get totally out of control in its territory.

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All these people not wearing masks and crying about oppression is the ultimate display that Libertarianism is bunk. People will not, in fact, do the right thing voluntarily.

Checkmate Ron Paul.
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All these people not wearing masks and crying about oppression is the ultimate display that Libertarianism is bunk. People will not, in fact, do the right thing voluntarily.

Checkmate Ron Paul.


Meanwhile, in the South:
https://fox6now.com/2020/07/14/refrigerated-trucks-requested-in-arizona-texas-as-morgues-reach-capacity-amid-covid-19-surge/
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