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Sep 10 2021 11:57am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 10:56am)
define "prove", so i can "prove" how fringe is not on the fringe of fitting proof.


I don't believe that you have no idea what the word "prove" means.

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Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 01:50pm)
There is nothing impossible about this.

And it's not even about this. Bobb's point is that consensus and "experts" aren't concepts that are important in science. What's truly important is skepticism, which is what these "minority" scientists are showing.


I never said its impossible?

Im skeptical of the claims of a minority of scientists who can't prove their findings to the medical community at large. if what they claimed was true and the evidence was incontrovertible they wouldn't be a minority.
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Sep 10 2021 11:58am
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 12:57pm)
I don't believe that you have no idea what the word "prove" means.


ok, but prove i dont.
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Sep 10 2021 12:00pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 10 Sep 2021 10:47)
Yes there are plenty of medical professionals who believe vaccines cause autism etc. But this plenty you speak of is a trivially small minority among a vast majority that are pro vaccine. Just to be clear you're saying this vast majority of the medical community is wrong?

As for the stats you're referring to I don't judge the merits of anti vax arguments because I'm not qualifed to assess the data. If there were credible arguments to be made I'd think the medical community would concur with your findings and I rely on their expertise.


Nobody has made any claims towards vaccines "causing autism". Further, you'd need to cite which "medical professionals" believe this. Are you accusing Jenny McCarthy of being a "medical professional"? If so, I guess Hugh Heffner is a "Professor of Medicine".

As I said, otherwise rational people turn into irate, nonsensical blowhards over a cold. Then claim everyone else should listen to them.

Nobody is anti-vax. Quote me the science, and show me ALL relevant data and studies that indicates anyone who has already gotten and recovered from covid needs or should even consider a vaccine. Because the most recent studies indicate that natural immunity provides 6-13 times the resistance/immunity of the vaccine. Acknowledging the science doesn't make you antivax, it means you're pro-science. Further, science is based on data. So what does the science say about mid to long term effects of mRNA shots? That's right, it says nothing whatsoever, because that data doesn't exist, because there are no phase 4 studies on mRNA vaccines because they've not been in human use until late last year.

Your attempt to rephrase scientific questions into some nonsensical "antivax" argument is trash. And I'm sad to see that Covid has turned you into a science denier.
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Sep 10 2021 12:01pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 10:58am)
ok, but prove i dont.


I don't have time for this stupid shit. Your tacit admission that you are unable to prove that those scientists are fringe, is good enough for me.
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Sep 10 2021 12:03pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 10 2021 01:01pm)
I don't have time for this stupid shit. Your tacit admission that you are unable to prove that those scientists are fringe, is good enough for me.


Prove u dont have time.
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Sep 10 2021 12:05pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 10 2021 01:00pm)
Nobody has made any claims towards vaccines "causing autism". Further, you'd need to cite which "medical professionals" believe this. Are you accusing Jenny McCarthy of being a "medical professional"? If so, I guess Hugh Heffner is a "Professor of Medicine".

As I said, otherwise rational people turn into irate, nonsensical blowhards over a cold. Then claim everyone else should listen to them.

Nobody is anti-vax. Quote me the science, and show me ALL relevant data and studies that indicates anyone who has already gotten and recovered from covid needs or should even consider a vaccine. Because the most recent studies indicate that natural immunity provides 6-13 times the resistance/immunity of the vaccine. Acknowledging the science doesn't make you antivax, it means you're pro-science. Further, science is based on data. So what does the science say about mid to long term effects of mRNA shots? That's right, it says nothing whatsoever, because that data doesn't exist, because there are no phase 4 studies on mRNA vaccines because they've not been in human use until late last year.

Your attempt to rephrase scientific questions into some nonsensical "antivax" argument is trash. And I'm sad to see that Covid has turned you into a science denier.


its telling that while you're crying about being shamed with the term "antivax" you've also spent days trying to call anyone who disagrees with you a "science denier" to shame them.

glass fucking cannon with bad aim lol
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2021 10:57am)
I never said its impossible?

Im skeptical of the claims of a minority of scientists who can't prove their findings to the medical community at large. if what they claimed was true and the evidence was incontrovertible they wouldn't be a minority.


You shouldn't judge whether someone's claim is true or not based on whether they are in the minority or majority. Just because a majority of scientists say a certain thing, it doesn't mean that they must be right.

Its like I said earlier, you should keep an open mind, and listen to both sides, then use your faculties to decide for yourself who is right. Automatically assuming that the group that is in the majority must be right is something that people who can't figure things out on their own, do.

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Sep 10 2021 12:12pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 10 2021 01:50pm)
The only doctor we have in here is ^bazi so he can help clarify. I know the vaccine protection takes a while but I can't speak to how hospitals classify patients.


The death certificates were a deceptive shit show. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the same. I doubt Bazi will tell us anything other than what his hospital told him to tell us. He was wrong about hydroxychloroquine too because the medicine is too cheap to be profitable.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 10 2021 01:46pm)
i agree somewhat, and yet the only logical takeaway from the vaccine trial data is "we dont know what mrna does over 10 years". not a flaw in their science, but an appeal to the unknown.

when my wife was having difficulty making professional choices i told her as yourself "what can go wrong" and if the answer is "i dont know" then ignore it. make logical, not illogical choices.


A cost benefit analysis should be done for each situation on its own. I'm apt to agree with you in most situations.

The media prioritizes the vaccines over much more powerful (and safer and cheaper) alternatives for one.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Sep 10 2021 12:13pm
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Sep 10 2021 12:21pm
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The death certificates were a deceptive shit show. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the same. I doubt Bazi will tell us anything other than what his hospital told him to tell us. He was wrong about hydroxychloroquine too because the medicine is too cheap to be profitable.



A cost benefit analysis should be done for each situation on its own. I'm apt to agree with you in most situations.

The media prioritizes the vaccines over much more powerful (and safer and cheaper) alternatives for one.


The media's unwillingness to call out unhealthy fatties is a place on the venn diagram we'll always find each other.
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