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Sep 22 2019 03:52pm


The new left...






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Sep 23 2019 01:48am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/23/fact-checking-trumps-latest-claims-biden-ukraine/
let me fact check the WaPo fact checkers here for a second
notice that they're quibbling over the lack of proof that Biden's interference to fire Shokin is connected to Hunter's firm being investigated. Contemporaneous events, a clear motivation, in line with west vs east corruption claims and the competing interests of ukrainian oligarchs, sure. But there is indeed no proof that's the reason he shook down ukraine to fire shokin. That's like having the gunman, the smoking gun and the corpse, but not the motive. It could have been justifiable. Nevermind that its inherently a blatant violation of sovereignty and clearly geopolitical wrangling to corruptly manipulate a foreign country no matter how you slice it- that's why manafort & podesta were there to begin with, that's all modern ukrainian history.

But the point I noticed is that when they bring up Trump talking to ukraine, they directly accuse him of withholding aid to shake down ukraine;
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On top of that, Trump is arguing that because Biden said he withheld aid from Ukraine in the name of battling corruption, there’s nothing wrong with Trump withholding aid from the same country in the name of fighting corruption (ie, Biden was involved in supposedly corrupt dealings and should be investigated


wait wait wait
so this presumption of innocent intentions and no corrupt motive only extends to Biden, not Trump. Not only do they have no proof that Trump withheld aid from Ukraine to coerce them into investigating Biden, but their only source for this story already debunked it and said there was no threat to withhold aid or offer of quid pro quo.

So in order to give Biden a free pass, they have to assume that no matter if he had a conflict of interest and a clear corrupt benefit to firing the prosecutor, the fact that he could have done it for legitimate reasons means we must assume he is innocent. But in Trump's case, even though there's no evidence of a corrupt motive and no claims of that, and the aid has already been released, we have to assume there was a corrupt motive by wantonly theorizing without even evaluating the logic of whether it would be rational for Trump.

The fact is, this WaPo drivel is just as crap as tinfoil hat conspiracy mongering by Alex Jones, the only difference is these dolts act like their farts don't stink. You can dress it up in all the pretenses of authority and integrity you want, but if you're just spewing up inane shit that doesn't hold up to basic logical scrutiny, you're rolling in the mud with the pigs. And that was without me getting into their lack of context of how lines like "Biden’s action was coordinated with other major players in the region and celebrated at the time because Shokin was widely seen as a failure." are absolutely ridiculous when you've got an appreciation for the ukrainian situation. That would be like Putin's media saying that the annexation of Crimea was widely celebrated with other major players in the region because the Ukrainian government was corrupt and taken over by western imperialists. When you are leading the corrupt and cynical operation, the agreement of those beholden to you is not legitimization.
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Sep 23 2019 08:32am
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-weld-trumps-treason-over-ukraine-calls-for-death-penalty-republican-primary-challenger-says

2020 Republican primary contender Bill Weld has finally defined his campaign to unseat Donald Trump in the primary elections that won't even be held, by declaring that if elected he'd have Trump put to death.
He called on fellow republicans to support his plan to execute Trump, presumably by lethal injections, hanging, firing squad or being forcefed copious amounts of baked beans until he bursts.
"That is treason. It’s treason pure and simple, and the penalty for treason under the U.S. code is death,” Weld told MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “That’s the only penalty.”
Nevermind the part where its actually not the only penalty- it could be a $10,000 fine or 5 year prison sentence- Bill Weld dialed it straight to 10 and stood his ground;
“The grounds for removal of office, impeachment, are treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors,” he said. “We don’t have to worry about bribery anymore, we don’t have to worry about other high crimes and misdemeanors, although I think he committed many. We have treason and we can go right for the hoop.”

You might not be able to vote for him in your state Icemage, but you can still contribute to his campaign
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Sep 23 2019 09:01am
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-weld-trumps-treason-over-ukraine-calls-for-death-penalty-republican-primary-challenger-says

2020 Republican primary contender Bill Weld has finally defined his campaign to unseat Donald Trump in the primary elections that won't even be held, by declaring that if elected he'd have Trump put to death.
He called on fellow republicans to support his plan to execute Trump, presumably by lethal injections, hanging, firing squad or being forcefed copious amounts of baked beans until he bursts.
"That is treason. It’s treason pure and simple, and the penalty for treason under the U.S. code is death,” Weld told MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “That’s the only penalty.”
Nevermind the part where its actually not the only penalty- it could be a $10,000 fine or 5 year prison sentence- Bill Weld dialed it straight to 10 and stood his ground;
“The grounds for removal of office, impeachment, are treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors,” he said. “We don’t have to worry about bribery anymore, we don’t have to worry about other high crimes and misdemeanors, although I think he committed many. We have treason and we can go right for the hoop.”

You might not be able to vote for him in your state Icemage, but you can still contribute to his campaign


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Sep 23 2019 10:45am
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The new left...






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTyQs5Gc0zo


I will take the new left over the new right any day of the week.

Concern for the planet and lives vs concern for the NRA and controlling a woman's body. GG all day.
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Sep 23 2019 02:27pm
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I will take the new left over the new right any day of the week.

Concern for the planet and lives vs concern for the NRA and controlling a woman's body. GG all day.




Everyone is concerned about the planet. Some are just a tad more realistic about things though. As for a woman's body... no one wants to control it. But by the same token we can have people treating sex like a night at the movies, with no concern for the ... results.
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Sep 23 2019 02:47pm
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Everyone is concerned about the planet. Some are just a tad more realistic about things though. As for a woman's body... no one wants to control it. But by the same token we can have people treating sex like a night at the movies, with no concern for the ... results.


Judging by the response on the right im not so sure everyone is concerned. People make stupid choices sometimes which is why education on safe sex is needed more than ever. Its a parent problem too. Regardless, if you have a penis it isnt your choice or mine. I dont like the idea of abortion but its not my body.
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Judging by the response on the right im not so sure everyone is concerned. People make stupid choices sometimes which is why education on safe sex is needed more than ever. Its a parent problem too. Regardless, if you have a penis it isnt your choice or mine. I dont like the idea of abortion but its not my body.



Anti-abortion laws, are the ONLY things that seem to get through to some people. The ONLY motivation. You can teach about safe sex, and responsible... "fooling around", but if there isn't a consequence that makes people take notice... people won't listen.





Senate Democratic leader calls on Republicans to subpoena Trump whistleblower complaint

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-schumer/senate-democratic-leader-calls-on-republicans-to-subpoena-trump-whistleblower-complaint-idUSKBN1W82EE

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The New York Democrat [Schumer] also called on Republican committee chairs to hold hearings and seek testimony from Trump administration officials including Acting U.S. Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani.

He also said the Republican-controlled Senate should determine which administration officials directed security assistance for Ukraine to be delayed.

Schumer said he made his request for a Senate investigation in a letter to Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell.




Well that letter isn't gonna go anywhere.
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Sep 23 2019 04:13pm
I hear that Beto O'Rourke is going to try to re-energize his floundering campaign by selling "Hell yes we're going to hang him" t-shirts.
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Sep 23 2019 04:17pm
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I hear that Beto O'Rourke is going to try to re-energize his floundering campaign by selling "Hell yes we're going to hang him" t-shirts.


lol
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