I have zero questions about god, if he wants me to know it he will tell me.

Graph theory is the study of models with nodes and edges joining those nodes. It didn't start with an application.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory



Math is built on axiomatic systems. We can literally assume anything we want for the axioms. It's still math even if the axioms are not at all true in reality. So, math without application can certainly exist.

check on the 'riemann zeta function' which came about by research into primes
as said before, it doesn't really matter that you consider certain mathematical theorem/etc as useless
and i am sure there are plenty you would put into that category if you would look deeper into maths
let's see what they say about those sometimes in the future

The existence of a unit prompts the existence of another unit, and before long, we've got the natural numbers and arithmetic, from which we can build huge amounts of knowledge.

not really. 1 prompts another 1 and before long weve got a whole bunch of 1's....

and if it did, then your argueing aginst your self as to the possiblity of math existing prior to real world application.



its a matter of the math being founded with out real world reason, this just dosnt exist, as even with prime numbers its likely just a matter of avoding them, though it also seems they can be very useful in simplifying divison and fractions, which is much more likely where the interest in prime numbers came about.

math with out real world application, dosnt exist, and if it did, it would be worthless.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 7 2013 06:27am

there is plenty higher level maths without any real world application (yet)
and no, it's worth lies in progressing maths
maybe it takes a mathematician to understand that
but i assume that you consider philosophy as worthless as well
or at least all those works which do not have a real world application

and you clearly didn't have a look at the 'riemann zeta function'
else you wouldn't repeat your silly remark about prime numbers

iim sure as you look into such math youll find contempoaraty real world application inspirng its creation.

im aruing for the use of primes by a 300 bc greek citizen, not modern day, as ive allready pointed out crytography as a modern day use.

im sure you didnt understand my point otherwise you wouldnt have mentioned the riemann zeta function again.

and liklely still dont understand my point.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on May 7 2013 06:36am

lot's of mathematics is created without any real world application inspiring it
you underestimate the 'just playing in the sand box' attititude
you only see one side of mathematics, namely mathematics slaving for science/etc
and don't see the other side which most mathematicians prefer, namely mathematics as l'art pour l'art

and i am still waiting for an answer on my question if you consider philosophy as worthless

No, I'm arguing that particular example is useful. We already discussed examples that weren't useful at the time (primes and other number theory, graph theory). Some was just through playing (graphs) and others for some possible future use, but without a particular one in mind.



What's your evidence that it's a matter of avoiding the prime numbers? We can easily make up plausible stories about the origin of something, but without evidence, it's pointless. For whatever reason, primes were deemed useless for about two thousand years after the Greeks.



We can make up any axioms we want and deduce results, and it's still math.... It may be worthless now, but may lead to some application in the future, as with the examples we've talked about.

So what are your points when you're arguing with mathematics again?