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Feb 26 2023 11:09pm
Quote (fender @ Feb 26 2023 10:37pm)
that's probably why european nations have such high homicide rates compared to awesome nations like the US, where the death penalty and private gun ownership not only deter such heinous crimes, but also protect the people and prevent murderers from killing more than one victim. good point.

https://i.imgur.com/LtdrRSr.png


Thanks for the 11 year old data. Many European nations has become much less safe take for example Sweden :)
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Feb 26 2023 11:58pm
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Thanks for the 11 year old data. Many European nations has become much less safe take for example Sweden :)


proof?
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Feb 27 2023 10:47am
Quote (El1te @ Feb 27 2023 03:24am)
Many parts of the UK are very homogenous

Northern Ireland (along with Ireland) is the closest thing to a white ethnostate that exists on the planet

NI & Ireland have some of the lowest crime rates in the world ever since the communists stopped killing people

Wales is also essentially a white ethnostate, however they are incredibly racist and sort of like USA hillbillies


Relating to your comments re: "Ireland" and "white ethnostate" it needs to be understood that the population of the Republic of Ireland 200 years ago was more then it is today. In Ireland if you cant get a job, the most common practice, is to emigrate. In this regard we tend to get off our asses (compared to other places where people just....persist). So with regards to emigration - this trend is not expected to change any time soon noting successive governments repeatedly refrain from building enough new houses, thereby forcing the issue (cant rent/cant buy, must emigrate). Most of you should have awareness that Irish people emigrate...everywhere. We don't do this because we hate Ireland, its because there are no jobs/houses. In such a scenario, you need to either be rich, or come to ireland via some government scheme. In this climate this white "ethnostate" you refer to will not change any time soon.

Ireland is an island, to the left of England. Ireland is actually a country (contrary to what some people might think) and the next house west of Ireland is in the US. Basically this means its hard to get to Ireland both in a physical and nonphysical sense (but that culturally we readily emigrate to other countries) and its hard to get a job that would enable you to buy a house or rent (typical rent per month is more expensive then a typical monthly mortgage payment in Ireland). Ireland IS predominantly white, just like African countries are predominantly black. We get Polish people, Chinese People and Nigerians in Ireland though, through various schemes/historic background. Ireland would be far more racist then say, Holland, where (in holland) government incentives after WW2 led to an influx of people from such places as Morocco and Suriname (manual labour due to male shortages after the war), and which, overtime, has resulted in a far more tolerant (i.e. less racist) society then it previously was. However in Ireland we have decent education and the internet is a wonderful thing. We also like to travel, therefore I would like to think we are less racist today then we were say, 50 years ago (every country will have racists). But yes Ireland IS predominantly white, more so then the EU as a whole (2.4% black in totality).

Also, relating to low crime rates in particular in Northern Ireland, this is more due to under-reporting/convictions then due to everyone being white. It was decided many years ago, and is still applicable to this day, that the government would allow sectarian groups (National and Unionist) to "Police" themselves noting there was no appetite to imprison people (as it would lead to more bombings etc). In this regard it gave rise to what is known as "punishment beatings" which you are free to google / wiki. This also gave power to those groups and is probably a reason why things are still bad (the whole Nationalist/Unionist identity is given power via government inaction on this and other issues). TLDR: statistic's on prison volumes in the North of Ireland mask the reality which is that crime exists in Northern Ireland just as much as in another country (regardless of % white / black).

Staying on topic I was going to say I was for the death penalty but then I read the context article and so obviously posted "No". I mean, imprisoning someone for 30 years and then killing them after 30 years. My view is if Guilty, death penalty sure, but dont wait 5-30 years to carry it out. Thats pretty inhumane. Ireland and England have a storied shared history. It was as a result of the death penalty that (in protest) Ireland became a sovereign state. and yea, we dont have the death penalty. We fall into the group of civilized/educated nations i guess.

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Feb 27 2023 11:18am
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Relating to your comments re: "Ireland" and "white ethnostate" it needs to be understood that the population of the Republic of Ireland 200 years ago was more then it is today. In Ireland if you cant get a job, the most common practice, is to emigrate. In this regard we tend to get off our asses (compared to other places where people just....persist). So with regards to emigration - this trend is not expected to change any time soon noting successive governments repeatedly refrain from building enough new houses, thereby forcing the issue (cant rent/cant buy, must emigrate). Most of you should have awareness that Irish people emigrate...everywhere. We don't do this because we hate Ireland, its because there are no jobs/houses. In such a scenario, you need to either be rich, or come to ireland via some government scheme. In this climate this white "ethnostate" you refer to will not change any time soon.

Ireland is an island, to the left of England. Ireland is actually a country (contrary to what some people might think) and the next house west of Ireland is in the US. Basically this means its hard to get to Ireland both in a physical and nonphysical sense (but that culturally we readily emigrate to other countries) and its hard to get a job that would enable you to buy a house or rent (typical rent per month is more expensive then a typical monthly mortgage payment in Ireland). Ireland IS predominantly white, just like African countries are predominantly black. We get Polish people, Chinese People and Nigerians in Ireland though, through various schemes/historic background. Ireland would be far more racist then say, Holland, where (in holland) government incentives after WW2 led to an influx of people from such places as Morocco and Suriname (manual labour due to male shortages after the war), and which, overtime, has resulted in a far more tolerant (i.e. less racist) society then it previously was. However in Ireland we have decent education and the internet is a wonderful thing. We also like to travel, therefore I would like to think we are less racist today then we were say, 50 years ago (every country will have racists). But yes Ireland IS predominantly white, more so then the EU as a whole (2.4% black in totality).

Also, relating to low crime rates in particular in Northern Ireland, this is more due to under-reporting/convictions then due to everyone being white. It was decided many years ago, and is still applicable to this day, that the government would allow sectarian groups (National and Unionist) to "Police" themselves noting there was no appetite to imprison people (as it would lead to more bombings etc). In this regard it gave rise to what is known as "punishment beatings" which you are free to google / wiki. This also gave power to those groups and is probably a reason why things are still bad (the whole Nationalist/Unionist identity is given power via government inaction on this and other issues). TLDR: statistic's on prison volumes in the North of Ireland mask the reality which is that crime exists in Northern Ireland just as much as in another country (regardless of % white / black).

Staying on topic I was going to say I was for the death penalty but then I read the context article and so obviously posted "No". I mean, imprisoning someone for 30 years and then killing them after 30 years. My view is if Guilty, death penalty sure, but dont wait 5-30 years to carry it out. Thats pretty inhumane. Ireland and England have a storied shared history. It was as a result of the death penalty that (in protest) Ireland became a sovereign state. and yea, we dont have the death penalty. We fall into the group of civilized/educated nations i guess.


cool essay, bro. ireland wasn't even in the graphic though. oooops.

also: https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/eb/qa/When-Do-I-Use-Then-and-Than-

please... it's not THAT difficult...
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Feb 27 2023 11:21am
I support the life penalty, where we take people who have attempted suicide and make them live in solitary confinement for like 30 years with paper sheets and no forks for meal time.
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Feb 27 2023 11:30am
Fender being Fender as usual.

"ireland wasn't even in the graphic" when I had quoted a user that referenced Ireland and N Ireland (fail at comprehension)
then Fender posts a britannica wiki about spelling when I have not lived in an english speaking country all my life (may you never make a spelling mistake)

Wht a self righteous troll.

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Feb 27 2023 11:38am
i do not support the death penalty in any case
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Feb 27 2023 11:48am
Quote (ferdia @ 27 Feb 2023 18:30)
Fender being Fender as usual.

"ireland wasn't even in the graphic" when I had quoted a user that referenced Ireland and N Ireland (fail at comprehension)
then Fender posts a britannica wiki about spelling when I have not lived in an english speaking country all my life (may you never make a spelling mistake)

Wht a self righteous troll.


not even trolling. you used "then" eight times in your little essay, and six (!) of those (that's 75%) were wrong, they should have been "than". instead of crying me a river and making dumb excuses, just read the damn article, learn the difference, and be grateful for my help - it couldn't be easier to significantly improve your english in just three minutes. the only thing worse than being stupid is insisting on remaining stupid because your ego can't handle criticism...

btw, that user you quoted was just trying to make excuses for american homicide rates by cherry picking northern ireland, the smallest and most isolated part of the UK, in order to dismiss the notion that the UK as a whole is an incredibly diverse country, with countless british and international cultures being represented within its population. his whole ireland "point" was a red herring - you just failed to realise that.
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Feb 27 2023 12:08pm
Quote (ferdia @ 28 Feb 2023 00:47)
Relating to your comments re: "Ireland" and "white ethnostate" it needs to be understood that the population of the Republic of Ireland 200 years ago was more then it is today. In Ireland if you cant get a job, the most common practice, is to emigrate. In this regard we tend to get off our asses (compared to other places where people just....persist). So with regards to emigration - this trend is not expected to change any time soon noting successive governments repeatedly refrain from building enough new houses, thereby forcing the issue (cant rent/cant buy, must emigrate). Most of you should have awareness that Irish people emigrate...everywhere. We don't do this because we hate Ireland, its because there are no jobs/houses. In such a scenario, you need to either be rich, or come to ireland via some government scheme. In this climate this white "ethnostate" you refer to will not change any time soon.

Ireland is an island, to the left of England. Ireland is actually a country (contrary to what some people might think) and the next house west of Ireland is in the US. Basically this means its hard to get to Ireland both in a physical and nonphysical sense (but that culturally we readily emigrate to other countries) and its hard to get a job that would enable you to buy a house or rent (typical rent per month is more expensive then a typical monthly mortgage payment in Ireland). Ireland IS predominantly white, just like African countries are predominantly black. We get Polish people, Chinese People and Nigerians in Ireland though, through various schemes/historic background. Ireland would be far more racist then say, Holland, where (in holland) government incentives after WW2 led to an influx of people from such places as Morocco and Suriname (manual labour due to male shortages after the war), and which, overtime, has resulted in a far more tolerant (i.e. less racist) society then it previously was. However in Ireland we have decent education and the internet is a wonderful thing. We also like to travel, therefore I would like to think we are less racist today then we were say, 50 years ago (every country will have racists). But yes Ireland IS predominantly white, more so then the EU as a whole (2.4% black in totality).

Also, relating to low crime rates in particular in Northern Ireland, this is more due to under-reporting/convictions then due to everyone being white. It was decided many years ago, and is still applicable to this day, that the government would allow sectarian groups (National and Unionist) to "Police" themselves noting there was no appetite to imprison people (as it would lead to more bombings etc). In this regard it gave rise to what is known as "punishment beatings" which you are free to google / wiki. This also gave power to those groups and is probably a reason why things are still bad (the whole Nationalist/Unionist identity is given power via government inaction on this and other issues). TLDR: statistic's on prison volumes in the North of Ireland mask the reality which is that crime exists in Northern Ireland just as much as in another country (regardless of % white / black).

Staying on topic I was going to say I was for the death penalty but then I read the context article and so obviously posted "No". I mean, imprisoning someone for 30 years and then killing them after 30 years. My view is if Guilty, death penalty sure, but dont wait 5-30 years to carry it out. Thats pretty inhumane. Ireland and England have a storied shared history. It was as a result of the death penalty that (in protest) Ireland became a sovereign state. and yea, we dont have the death penalty. We fall into the group of civilized/educated nations i guess.


I voted yes because it works for a small city state like mine. And I voted Yes in context to my country , because the government is quite squeaky clean with good due process, a transparent judiciary , common law.
It will not deter all serious crimes completely , but it will make you think twice and very hard before you commit one since you can't get away easily.

I cannot say that for larger countries. Our population is only around 5.8 million people.
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