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Feb 28 2023 06:48am
Quote (addone @ Feb 24 2023 03:57pm)
Examples of New Testament Contradictions
In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus’ birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem “to present him to the Lord,” and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and “went and hanged himself.” To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and “falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” John 19:30 alleges the last words were, “It is finished.”

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn’t hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.


i havent looked in the genealogy. what happens if you follow mary's?

one thing i have learned about "contradictions" is its a no win possible. if there is any deviation which happens with eyewitness accounts its a "contradiction". if its two similar then its plagiarized.

also same garbage done here as before. no real study of the scripture. just posts references and makes claims. just horse chit piling on.
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Feb 28 2023 09:05am
Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 28 2023 07:34am)
teehee



tore doesnt mean killed ............
see what happens when the scripture is posted?


:rofl: good example of why people don't like bible humpers, i'm just misinterpreting the mauling of the children due to name-calling, gotcha ahahah
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Feb 28 2023 09:06am
Quote (addone @ Feb 24 2023 01:12pm)
The bible sounds like it was written solely by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, and cruel age. The writers of the Bible lived in an unenlightened era, the book contains many errors and harmful teachings.
Also God is or Yhwh or Jelous as the bible refers to sounds like a deified ruler/general of some kind. A common practice for that time period.

Many of the Christians will argue with scripture without single shred of evidence. They will just quote you some paragraph without any proof or logic of any kind. They take it at face value and presume that you also believe it 100% as well. So if you are one of those people please note that it's equivalent to trying to debate with someone who replies with fortune cookie generator. If you are unable to logically convey your argument please don't assume to speak.

This thread will a form a case to why the bible and Christianity as a whole is erroneous and completely made up collection of stories that attempted to convey some kind of spiritual/moral compass to the masses while getting rich off its followers often times through physical violence, coercion and trickery.
Christianity is simply one of many religious and mythological creationist stories that are found in virtually in every ancient culture on earth. People needed explanations for natural phenomenon answers to philosophical questions in life. So they turned to paganism, religion and later to science and practical knowledge.

Let's begin!!


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Feb 28 2023 01:36pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 1 2023 01:34am)
teehee



tore doesnt mean killed ............
see what happens when the scripture is posted?


This is why people can't take anything you say seriously. You are simping here so hard it's uncanny even for you. It's pretty clear that the passage describes the most cruel and bizarre encounter. Some kids are teasing this guy and he performs a curse and summons 2 bears to tear them up like a druid in d2. This is pathetic.

Your entire argument that the word tore doesn't mean killed? Is just plain wrong. In a context 2 bears would maul a group of kids to death period
This was kjv other versions like new international version it's mauled. Clearly even Christians agree that it was a great big massacre.

2 Kings 2:23-24

Elisha Is Jeered
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

In Hebrew. https://biblehub.com/text/2_kings/2-24.htm
וַתְּבַקַּ֣עְנָה
wat-tə-ḇaq-qa‘-nāh. Means mauled or cleave or break open.

Look up any Christian explanation of the passage and its pretty clear. You are just plain wrong once again. Stop lying because you going to hell apparently :rofl:

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Feb 28 2023 03:34pm
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This is why people can't take anything you say seriously. You are simping here so hard it's uncanny even for you. It's pretty clear that the passage describes the most cruel and bizarre encounter. Some kids are teasing this guy and he performs a curse and summons 2 bears to tear them up like a druid in d2. This is pathetic.

Your entire argument that the word tore doesn't mean killed? Is just plain wrong. In a context 2 bears would maul a group of kids to death period
This was kjv other versions like new international version it's mauled. Clearly even Christians agree that it was a great big massacre.

2 Kings 2:23-24

Elisha Is Jeered
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

In Hebrew. https://biblehub.com/text/2_kings/2-24.htm
וַתְּבַקַּ֣עְנָה
wat-tə-ḇaq-qa‘-nāh. Means mauled or cleave or break open
.

Look up any Christian explanation of the passage and its pretty clear. You are just plain wrong once again. Stop lying because you going to hell apparently :rofl:


"mauled" doenst mean "killed" even your own definition shows it doesnt mean killed. it would mean killed if the scripture said "mauled to death", which it doesnt.
always interesting how scripture holds up when its posted and the accusations held to the light.

you say I am going to hell??? are you passing more judgement?
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Feb 28 2023 04:01pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 1 2023 08:34am)
"mauled" doenst mean "killed" even your own definition shows it doesnt mean killed. it would mean killed if the scripture said "mauled to death", which it doesnt.
always interesting how scripture holds up when its posted and the accusations held to the light.

you say I am going to hell??? are you passing more judgement?


Show me an example of a child mauled by a bear without an adult nearby with a high calibre weapon where the child survived, ill wait.
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Feb 28 2023 04:26pm
Quote (addone @ Feb 24 2023 03:57pm)
Examples of New Testament Contradictions
In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus’ birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem “to present him to the Lord,” and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and “went and hanged himself.” To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and “falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, “Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit.” John 19:30 alleges the last words were, “It is finished.”

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn’t hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.


lets do more on page two quote quote 11 first claim
first let me add how much of a drag it is that a person argue in this fashion. never have i seen such a display of disingenuous.....
first claim is about Jesus and his genealogy. try following marys.

second claim
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The story of Jesus’ birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

scripture doesnt say "immediately" nor does scripture mention how long they stayed. scripture does say though the wise men didnt go back and inform herod.
12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

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But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem “to present him to the Lord,” and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

meh so what. the wise men not going back to inform herod buys the 40 days
your only real bich would be his account isnt detailed enough. not that you have actually read any of it.

next is the 3rd claim, judas

as we slog through this "gish gallop" rechristen it "addones drag"

This post was edited by TiStuff on Feb 28 2023 04:46pm
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Feb 28 2023 04:27pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 1 2023 10:34am)
"mauled" doenst mean "killed" even your own definition shows it doesnt mean killed. it would mean killed if the scripture said "mauled to death", which it doesnt.
always interesting how scripture holds up when its posted and the accusations held to the light.

you say I am going to hell??? are you passing more judgement?


Splitting hairs on word torn. Gets proven wrong, proceeds to simp on how 2 bears did not kill the kids because the bible doesn't explicitly says killed.

Meanwhile ignores the fact that the guy just summoned 2 bears and unleashed them on 42 kids simply because they teased him a bit. Doesn't even address the fact how bizzare and random the entire encounter is.
Also just about every Christian interpretation out there confirms that the kids were pretty much wiped out by 2 bears. EVEN IF in your twisted interpretation they were not killed it's still a really bad and cruel story of magical pvp.
Bro I was walking along and there were a bunch of kids who made fun of me and I just summoned my lv 23 2 bears to maul them irl. That will teach them not to mess with me because that totally happened and Christianity would never lie.
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Feb 28 2023 04:32pm
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Splitting hairs on word torn. Gets proven wrong, proceeds to simp on how 2 bears did not kill the kids because the bible doesn't explicitly says killed.

Meanwhile ignores the fact that the guy just summoned 2 bears and unleashed them on 42 kids simply because they teased him a bit. Doesn't even address the fact how bizzare and random the entire encounter is.
Also just about every Christian interpretation out there confirms that the kids were pretty much wiped out by 2 bears. EVEN IF in your twisted interpretation they were not killed it's still a really bad and cruel story of magical pvp.
Bro I was walking along and there were a bunch of kids who made fun of me and I just summoned my lv 23 2 bears to maul them irl. That will teach them not to mess with me because that totally happened and Christianity would never lie.


addone i n his godhood redefines mauled
addone in his godhood declares the level of aggression and age of a gang of 42 kids
addone in his godhood decides that bears could not have been around and that they were summoned by magic. .......magical bears because atheists/antitheists believe in magic.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 28 2023 02:01pm)
Show me an example of a child mauled by a bear without an adult nearby with a high calibre weapon where the child survived, ill wait.


sorry to keep you waiting. in the furture google chit your self, its faster
10-year-old boy attacked by black bear at grandparent's Connecticut home
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/17/10-year-old-boy-attacked-black-bear-connecticut/10524427002/
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