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Nov 25 2022 03:57pm
Quote (KeeperHalidom @ 25 Nov 2022 16:50)
If you stumble across a house in the woods would you have me believe that it just came to existence? Or would you have me believe it was built by someone or something? The same can be said about humanity. We were created by someone or something. In my eyes that someone is God and in others it might be something different. But I promise you we did not just come into existence from nothing.


False equivalence. People, indeed life in general, show no signs whatsoever of design. Unless perhaps the designer was an incompetent lunatic.
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Nov 25 2022 03:58pm
Quote (Vastet @ Nov 25 2022 03:57pm)
False equivalence. People, indeed life in general, show no signs whatsoever of design. Unless perhaps the designer was an incompetent lunatic.


What do you mean show no sign of design?
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Nov 25 2022 04:08pm
Quote (KeeperHalidom @ 25 Nov 2022 16:58)
What do you mean show no sign of design?


What kind of moron puts an entertainment district right beside a sewage plant?
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Nov 25 2022 08:09pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 25 2022 04:20pm)
Ok so explain hermaphrodites then genius.


It's amazing the results of many things since the fall of man.

There are really two issues here: 1) transgendered people and 2) the intersexed (new term) or hermaphrodites (older term).

The first is usually an emotional problem, not really a sexual one. The “transgendered” label reflects a sexual identity confusion and not a true condition. God doesn’t create a person with the genitals of a male and the consciousness and heart of a female. In Genesis 1:26, the Bible says, “And God created man in His image, in His likeness; male and female He created them . . . . and it was very good.” In addition, 1 Corinthians 14:33 says that “God is not a God of confusion but of peace,” so deliberately creating someone with self-contradiction appears to go against the very nature of God.

By definition a hermaphrodite is “a person born with both male and female sex organs.” Within this definition there are three labels; true, female pseudo, and male pseudo. The first category is extremely rare with only 350-450 known cases. The second type, and the most common, is female pseudo resulting in 1 of every 14,000 births. The main cause for this is a condition known as Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. In these cases there is an overproduction of testosterone causing some “masculinized” features in the female. This does not mean that there is any real gender confusion. There is not. As with any female, her chromosome is XX. Any slight mutation, that may accompany is treated early by corrective surgery. The same situation may occur in baby boys with the same treatment. (There is a movement to stop this surgery, which is being called genital mutilation by some of those who have had it, and allow children’s bodies to grow and develop naturally, even if they are different.) It seems that even with ambiguous genitalia, these kids “know” if they are intrinsically male or female.

In either situation, the sexual identity, given by God, may perhaps reveal traits normally associated with the opposite sex. For example, the baby girl may grow up to be naturally more athletic or aggressive than the average woman, but she is very much a woman. Similarly, the baby boy may have a naturally heightened sensitivity and/or affinity towards the arts. Nevertheless, he is still very much a man.

What is God’s take in all of this?

God views every individual as He made them. While He did not make clones, he did create males and females with certain unique sexual characteristics. He also intended for males to manifest primarily masculine characteristics, and for females to manifest primarily feminine characteristics, although both sexes reflect aspects of both the masculine and the feminine in varying degrees. Along with those traits, He has provided direction on how we are to relate to one another. There is no prohibition regarding a slightly more “masculine” female or a slightly more “feminine” man. God views them as he does anyone else, with love and delight, and He desires that they experience all the freedom all He designed them to have, within the boundaries of the sexual identity God gave to them. The fact that some individuals are born with evidence of mutations in their sex-determining genes doesn’t change their value in God’s eyes any more than someone born with the mutation that causes cystic fibrosis or sickle-cell anemia.
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Nov 25 2022 08:33pm
Quote (D_urRRR @ Nov 26 2022 01:09pm)
It's amazing the results of many things since the fall of man.

There are really two issues here: 1) transgendered people and 2) the intersexed (new term) or hermaphrodites (older term).

The first is usually an emotional problem, not really a sexual one. The “transgendered” label reflects a sexual identity confusion and not a true condition. God doesn’t create a person with the genitals of a male and the consciousness and heart of a female. In Genesis 1:26, the Bible says, “And God created man in His image, in His likeness; male and female He created them . . . . and it was very good.” In addition, 1 Corinthians 14:33 says that “God is not a God of confusion but of peace,” so deliberately creating someone with self-contradiction appears to go against the very nature of God.

By definition a hermaphrodite is “a person born with both male and female sex organs.” Within this definition there are three labels; true, female pseudo, and male pseudo. The first category is extremely rare with only 350-450 known cases. The second type, and the most common, is female pseudo resulting in 1 of every 14,000 births. The main cause for this is a condition known as Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia. In these cases there is an overproduction of testosterone causing some “masculinized” features in the female. This does not mean that there is any real gender confusion. There is not. As with any female, her chromosome is XX. Any slight mutation, that may accompany is treated early by corrective surgery. The same situation may occur in baby boys with the same treatment. (There is a movement to stop this surgery, which is being called genital mutilation by some of those who have had it, and allow children’s bodies to grow and develop naturally, even if they are different.) It seems that even with ambiguous genitalia, these kids “know” if they are intrinsically male or female.

In either situation, the sexual identity, given by God, may perhaps reveal traits normally associated with the opposite sex. For example, the baby girl may grow up to be naturally more athletic or aggressive than the average woman, but she is very much a woman. Similarly, the baby boy may have a naturally heightened sensitivity and/or affinity towards the arts. Nevertheless, he is still very much a man.

What is God’s take in all of this?

God views every individual as He made them. While He did not make clones, he did create males and females with certain unique sexual characteristics. He also intended for males to manifest primarily masculine characteristics, and for females to manifest primarily feminine characteristics, although both sexes reflect aspects of both the masculine and the feminine in varying degrees. Along with those traits, He has provided direction on how we are to relate to one another. There is no prohibition regarding a slightly more “masculine” female or a slightly more “feminine” man. God views them as he does anyone else, with love and delight, and He desires that they experience all the freedom all He designed them to have, within the boundaries of the sexual identity God gave to them. The fact that some individuals are born with evidence of mutations in their sex-determining genes doesn’t change their value in God’s eyes any more than someone born with the mutation that causes cystic fibrosis or sickle-cell anemia.


So what you are saying is god made a mistake?
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Nov 25 2022 08:53pm
Quote (Vastet @ Nov 25 2022 02:08pm)
What kind of moron puts an entertainment district right beside a sewage plant?


post a better design.......
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Quote (TiStuff @ 25 Nov 2022 21:53)
post a better design.......


What am I god? Get out of here with that shit. Here's one: waste disposal somewhere else. Maybe on the outskirts.
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Quote (Vastet @ Nov 25 2022 06:55pm)
What am I god? Get out of here with that shit. Here's one: waste disposal somewhere else. Maybe on the outskirts.


you made a claim time to back it up onus is on you

why is there a design argument? because it (living systems) look designed.
Introduction To Living Systems.
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=85094217&f=90

a sample
Electron Transport Chain


This post was edited by TiStuff on Nov 25 2022 09:02pm
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 25 2022 09:33pm)
So what you are saying is god made a mistake?


Clearly you didn't read.
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Nov 25 2022 09:26pm
Quote (D_urRRR @ Nov 26 2022 01:57pm)
Clearly you didn't read.


You made up a bunch of bullshit, you say there is no gender confusion..
We already know gender disphoria is a real thing, your god is responsible for it, like everything else in the universe..
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