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The tyrants who created the circumstances for a revolution always fall back on foreign influence arguments. Putin does it constantly. As if the people opposing tyrants necessarily has to be backed by some outside influence...
Maybe those foreign influencers shouldn't get caught orchestrating and micromanaging their shadow interventions on the record, it gives them better plausible deniability.
The Ukraine intervention didn't bother itself with optics or deniability, they put a CIA head and
Joe Biden's crackhead son on the board of the biggest state company to replace the Russian oligarchs they had exiled. That's a "c'mon, man" moment.
Maybe the reason folks like Bashar Assad and Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were always falling back on arguments about American imperialism and CIA interventions is because America kept intervening in their countries and didn't bother to hide it.
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This is some weird justification for Russian dominance of Ukraine. Me thinks the Ukrainians can do better.
What's
better for the Ukrainian people? Under Russia's sphere of influence they had the most sovereignty they've ever known and had peace. No prosperity to go with that peace, but their country wasn't consumed by war and humanitarian crises. There's no world where the current state of affairs in Ukraine can be spun as a net positive for the Ukrainian people compared to what they would have had without Euromaidan. That's just nonsense. Its like if we said Syria was better off with ISIS in charge than Assad, and we somehow one-upped ISIS by finding an enclave of actual Nazis this time around.
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You take the position of blaming America or the West in the Ukrainian war context, and the rest of us take a reasonable position.
The only reasonable position to take is that America and the west are to blame.
This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 16 2022 08:56am