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Nov 15 2022 08:00pm
Quote (TiStuff @ 15 Nov 2022 20:56)
you are making claims


I am not making up claims. I'm just pointing out that the scripture doesn't get followed.

The Hitler stuff can be read from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

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Quote (mki @ Nov 15 2022 06:00pm)
I am not making up claims. I'm just pointing out that the scripture doesn't get followed.

The Hitler stuff can be read from Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler


i want you to do it or your not really serious. bring me its strongest argument and where it is in the article

you ever wonder why non believers and antitheists who claim to be academics never seem to know squat about scripture?

"I am not making up claims. I'm just pointing out that the scripture doesn't get followed."
(thats a claim)

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Quote (TiStuff @ 15 Nov 2022 21:11)
you ever wonder why non believers and antitheists who claim to be academics never seem to know squat about scripture?


For me, it's that I don't have a great memory of any of the many religious texts that I read.

The thing is, I personally believe that by doing that, that I realized that for the most part, they're all just trying to create civil societies.

The people who created them certainly had a vision of that at the very least.

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For me, it's that I don't have a great memory of any of the many religious texts that I read.

The thing is, I personally believe that by doing that, that I realized that for the most part, they're all just trying to create civil societies.

The people who created them certainly had a vision of that at the very least.


i studied other texts, to my surprise christianity held up. to my surprise i was delivered from my vices, alcohol probably being the biggest problem gone like magic. still have a problem with profanity tho.

anyway here is something i hope you consider. maybe not today but maybe some day

nothing else like it in all the world, nothing else even comes close


The bible is a collection of 66 books written over a period of approximately 1400-1500 years in 3 different languages across 3 continents by over 40 different authors from every walk of life (from a kings throne to prison cell). Most of whom never knew each other and many of which died a horrible death rather than deny their faith. With no historical errors or contradictions, coming together in one single unified harmonious message.

The creation, fall and redemption
Gods universal love for all humanity
A common message of salvation is available to all who repent of their sins and commit to following God with all their heart, soul, strength and mind.

one more thing, dont let people tell you whats in it. you have to check it for your self

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Quote (Handcuffs @ 16 Nov 2022 01:59)
I agree that there are some key differences, but I do think that the same impetus for change will be present for gay and transgender people, which is: People having kids who are gay and/or transgender. I'd argue that there has never been, and will never be, as powerful a force for changing/opening peoples' minds than having a child who is queer. Granted, there are a great many queer people who come from unaccepting to fully-abusive families, so it's not a guaranteed thing on an individual level, but when it comes to social change it is unparalleled in my opinion.


I tend to disagree. There were gay people, and thus gay children, throughout human history. For centuries, and well into the 20th century, the experience of having gay (or transgender) children did not lead to societal change on this front. From my limited knowledge, it was only in the 90s and 2000s that increasing secularization of society and a concerted effort to normalize queerness by Hollywood began to change minds and allow the cause of gay rights to gain ground with the mainstream. The experience of having a gay child mostly serves to break up anti-gay sentiment within the remaining "pockets of resistance", e.g. among evangelicals or in communities which are steeped in macho culture - but the decisive breakthrough already happened earlier.

I expect the same dynamics to play out when it comes to transgender rights. The decisive breakthrough will hinge on the movement's institutional allies (e.g. in film, music, media and academia) and how good of a job they do at convincing the rest of society of their cause. It is imho not a given that their message in favor of transgender rights will be as effective as the messaging for gay rights was - and as I laid out in my previous post, I believe that what they want to accomplish is a taller lift to begin with.
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This is just western moral panic. I wonder what percent of the people freaking out over this even have kids? There's a somewhat viral clip of some frothing yank showing up at a school board meeting and announcing himself (I'd say 'introducing' but he was basically screaming) as a "concerned uncle" lmao

4.2 million children in the US experience homelessness each year. No one cares.

Give puberty blockers to 11 year olds, it's not like any of the people who are the most worried about this even fuck.
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We need more men like this to run things in America.

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Quote (Chainsaw47 @ Nov 15 2022 05:46pm)
The biological part is important, but I don’t see the harm in explaining that transgender people exist and what that entails while remaining neutral. There is an area between sheltering kids and getting them front row at a drag show.


If you want to "explain that transgender people exist", then you have to be consistent and explain all the other kinds of freaks, too. Necrophiliacs, furries, people who commit incest..etc etc.
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Quote (Chainsaw47 @ Nov 15 2022 05:58pm)
As for the furries and tree-fuckers, no I don’t think it would be appropriate to discuss that in school - those are some sexual preferences, albeit weird, that have very little to do with sex-ed in a school context.


You don't get to decide what "has to do with sex-ed in a school context".

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If you want to "explain that transgender people exist", then you have to be consistent and explain all the other kinds of freaks, too. Necrophiliacs, furries, people who commit incest..etc etc.


No. You can read up on gender dysphoria if you have a genuine interest on the subject, but to lump it with all deviants is a weak argument.


Quote (JessiWan @ Nov 16 2022 05:43pm)
You don't get to decide what "has to do with sex-ed in a school context".


I certainly do. That’s called expressing an opinion in a discussion.

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