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Sep 21 2022 05:15pm
Quote (sirthom @ 21 Sep 2022 16:14)
This is why no one can trust modern "science".
It is all politically motivated now.
They will ostracize anyone who doesn't go along.


Just like you ostracize people that don't align with your worldview?
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Sep 21 2022 05:30pm
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And if somebody thinks that's the case they can bring it to court and get somebody assigned to represent the child's rights.

You don't get to decide others medical care because it makes you feel icky. It has to be based on evidence and that needs to be born out. If there are things that obviously have no utility and cause only harm, like lobotomies, then we use the evidence to bear that out, and the ones who intrepret the evidence are experts, not laymen.


Except for the part where we do. And that's been at the center of American policymaking for nearly 80 years now. And ultimately its the laymen who hold the power, or at least we'd like to pretend we're a democracy.
When it comes to social issues, if experts weren't wrong as often as laymen, we'd live in a technocracy.
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Sep 21 2022 07:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 21 2022 07:06am)
Vanderbilt opened up a transgender clinic which performs chemical castrations and sex reassignment surgeries on children, starting as young as 13.


Can you find a source for this?

In the meantime, it appears that:

1. Tennessee has banned hormone blockers for prepubescent youth since 2021; however, it's also important to note that virtually no doctors were doing this to begin with as world professional standards for transgender care state that hormone blockers should start at the onset of puberty and not prior to.

Source: https://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-governor-oks-transgender-youth-treatment-ban-bill-lee-lgbtq-law

2. Vast majority of gender clinics follow the World Professional Association for Transgender Health's Standard of Care, which is on the 7th edition and in relation to transgender surgeries states:

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Genital surgery should not be carried out until (i) patients reach the legal age of majority to give consent for medical procedures in a given country, and (ii) patients have lived continuously for at least 12 months in the gender role that is congruent with their gender identity. The age threshold should be seen as a minimum criterion and not an indication in and of itself for active intervention.

Chest surgery in FtM patients could be carried out earlier, preferably after ample time of living in the desired gender role and after one year of testosterone treatment. The intent of this suggested sequence is to give adolescents sufficient opportunity to experience and socially adjust in a more masculine gender role, before undergoing irreversible surgery. However, different approaches may be more suitable, depending on an adolescent’s specific clinical situation and goals for gender identity expression.


Source: https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v7/SOC%20V7_English2012.pdf?_t=1613669341

The age of medical consent in Tennessee is 16 (and I believe, can be as young as 14 under specific 'mature minor' circumstances; however, pretty much every gender clinic I've ever heard of uses 18 as their major age of consent for major transgender surgeries. Vanderbilt also had the following to say about transgender care for anyone under the age of 18:

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VUMC requires parental consent to treat a minor patient who is to be seen for issues related to transgender care, and never refuses parental involvement in the care of transgender youth who are under age 18.


They also had the following to say about the conscientious objective protections their employees have:

Our policies allow employees to decline to participate in care they find morally objectionable, and do not permit discrimination against employees who choose to do so. This includes employees whose personal or religious beliefs do not support gender-affirming care for transgender persons.

Sources:
https://news.vumc.org/2022/09/21/statement-about-transgender-health-care-at-vumc/
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/mentalhealth/documents/Pages_from_CY_BPGs_363-366.pdf.

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Sep 21 2022 07:36pm
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Except for the part where we do. And that's been at the center of American policymaking for nearly 80 years now. And ultimately its the laymen who hold the power, or at least we'd like to pretend we're a democracy.
When it comes to social issues, if experts weren't wrong as often as laymen, we'd live in a technocracy.


Experts are correct far more often than the laymen. Unless you think evolution is false.
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Sep 21 2022 08:09pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 21 2022 06:36pm)
Experts are correct far more often than the laymen. Unless you think evolution is false.



you evolved from germs. its why you worship the god of germs by putting on petri dish masks, taking RNA gene spliced spiked proteins and why your moral bankruptcy continues in all your posts
let me know if i got something wrong i'd love to clear that one up instead of insult you.

the best way to fight germs is to pasture them, eat them or better yet inject them directly into your blood or the blood of a young baby w/o an immune system?
But not exercise, not teach people how to kill germs or anything remotely genuine.

makes sense ofc.



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Sep 21 2022 08:45pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 21 2022 08:17pm)
Can you find a source for this?
In the meantime, it appears that:
1. Tennessee has banned hormone blockers for prepubescent youth since 2021; however, it's also important to note that virtually no doctors were doing this to begin with as world professional standards for transgender care state that hormone blockers should start at the onset of puberty and not prior to.
Source: https://fox17.com/news/local/tennessee-governor-oks-transgender-youth-treatment-ban-bill-lee-lgbtq-law
2. Vast majority of gender clinics follow the World Professional Association for Transgender Health's Standard of Care, which is on the 7th edition and in relation to transgender surgeries states:
Source: https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v7/SOC%20V7_English2012.pdf?_t=1613669341
The age of medical consent in Tennessee is 16 (and I believe, can be as young as 14 under specific 'mature minor' circumstances; however, pretty much every gender clinic I've ever heard of uses 18 as their major age of consent for major transgender surgeries. Vanderbilt also had the following to say about transgender care for anyone under the age of 18:


Which means they are willing to administer hormone blockers and perform sex reassignment surgery on children under 18. As young as 13-14 for HRT, as per their own videos.
Requiring parental approval doesn't change the fact that they're doing it, nor make it any less destructive. They weren't being accused of snatching random kids off the street and cutting their dicks off

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They also had the following to say about the conscientious objective protections their employees have:

Our policies allow employees to decline to participate in care they find morally objectionable, and do not permit discrimination against employees who choose to do so. This includes employees whose personal or religious beliefs do not support gender-affirming care for transgender persons.


They can say publicly that they do not permit discrimination against doctors with ethical objections, but in private they were caught directly stating they would discriminate against doctors with ethical objections, so which of those two statements is to believed?
There's ample evidence here that they were motivated by profitability, and that they would seek to fire doctors who would have objections to these very profitable surgeries. And when they got caught on tape saying it out loud, they rushed to nuke the public evidence. What's that say?
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Sep 21 2022 08:57pm
Few things here.

I love the comparison to circumcision! We are this much closer to the left recognizing this is a religious discussion! I am going to go on a limb and say y’all didn’t realize you are going in that direction, but keep going and we will find some common ground! I would like to clarify by saying the gender ideology is the religion, before somebody inevitably says I am some religious wacko.

Walsh provides video evidence of people within the hospital emphasizing how profitable this is, thus how important it is for the hospital to provide the services. The hospital immediately removes every one of these videos, as well as their entire gender clinic website in shame.

There has been no official defense of anything, only activists claiming violence will occur and relating it to Boston’s alleged bomb threats, which was immediately found to be a hoax.

Walsh vows to continue this fight, using his massive influence to help push legislation to end child sex change surgeries. Tennessee state senate majority leader has already come out promising to introduce legislation to outlaw this practice in Tennessee.

This is a huge win in the very long battle to end child “gender care”.

Big things happening!

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Sep 21 2022 08:59pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Sep 21 2022 04:15pm)
Just like you ostracize people that don't align with your worldview?



youre generalizing. Sirthom states some of his view(s), your view is attacking others views especially if they agree w/ said valid world views.
remind me of how you arent a parasite again?

quest-ce que dian.

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Sep 21 2022 09:00pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 21 2022 07:45pm)
Which means they are willing to administer hormone blockers and perform sex reassignment surgery on children under 18. As young as 13-14 for HRT, as per their own videos.
Requiring parental approval doesn't change the fact that they're doing it, nor make it any less destructive. They weren't being accused of snatching random kids off the street and cutting their dicks off



They can say publicly that they do not permit discrimination against doctors with ethical objections, but in private they were caught directly stating they would discriminate against doctors with ethical objections, so which of those two statements is to believed?
There's ample evidence here that they were motivated by profitability, and that they would seek to fire doctors who would have objections to these very profitable surgeries. And when they got caught on tape saying it out loud, they rushed to nuke the public evidence. What's that say?


Do you have any sources for the initial claim I quoted, and of the ones you are making now?
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Sep 21 2022 09:11pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 21 2022 10:00pm)
Do you have any sources for the initial claim I quoted, and of the ones you are making now?


https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1572313670075518978
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1572313708637962244
right in the OP
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