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Jul 4 2022 07:34pm
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being armed is not a crime in case you didn't know. what you claimed in your previous post is that he "SHOT AT THE COPS" for which there is no proof whatsoever.


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There is not "no proof whatsoever", there is strong evidence (albeit no definitive proof yet) for him having shot at the cops.

But sure, the flash seen coming from the window of his car during the car chase was just fireworks or a traffic light being reflected, and the radioing by the pursuing cops that they were being shot at... is your theory of the case that they strategically made this up in anticipation of the bloodthirsty execution that would follow a few minutes later? :wacko:


- flash could have been anything
- even if it was a shot, you made a positive claim that he shot at THEM, which is a ridiculous claim to make, since it's not proven. you're simply assuming the executioners' accounts are true, like the authoritarian bootlicker you are
- there have been countless instances in which cops put things on the record like "i'm being attacked / they are reaching / the suspect is resisting" that have proven to be dead wrong by 3rd party accounts and footage. this your first time discussing american police?

and even IF we assumed all of the above was like you hope, it still wouldn't justify executing an unarmed man who is running away with 60+ shots.
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Someone who is armed and shoots at police is not "unarmed" if they don't have control of their weapons for a few seconds before they get shot. If the gunman who shot up that 4th of july parade had marched out at police holding his rifle, then thrown it on the ground as the cops riddled him with bullets, he wouldn't be unarmed. The state of being 'armed' for the purposes of analyzing police shootings should really apply to anyone who reasonably demonstrates that they are armed, and not stop applying until they've reasonably demonstrated that they're no longer armed. That includes people with fake guns pretending to be real, or who throw their gun away while running.
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Jul 4 2022 07:55pm
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Looks like suicide by cop to me after watching the video.
90 rounds is ridiculous, thats 90 rounds that could have killed anyone in the vicinity.
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- even if it was a shot, you made a positive claim that he shot at THEM, which is a ridiculous claim to make, since it's not proven.

Yeah, right, the armed dude who is in a car chase with the police takes the time to lower his window, grab his gun and take a shot at... some pigeons on the sidewalk?!

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- there have been countless instances in which cops put things on the record like "i'm being attacked / they are reaching / the suspect is resisting" that have proven to be dead wrong by 3rd party accounts and footage. this your first time discussing american police?

In those instances, the cops were making these statements in the moment they unloaded on the victim. In this case right here, it was made several minutes before the death of Walker, at a time when it wasn't clear at all how this chase was gonna end, when it wasn't clear that the suspect would leave his car and get in a direct, pedestrian vs pedestrian confrontation with the cops.

Like I've said: your theory of the case would require the ludicrous assumption that bloodthirsty cops were strategically placing this made-up claim on radio to create deniability for the subsequent execution of Walker that they were already planning during the car chase.

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Yeah, right, the armed dude who is in a car chase with the police takes the time to lower his window, grab his gun and take a shot at... some pigeons on the sidewalk?!


Well, or he shot out his window at no particular target for the purpose of escalating with police so that they'd use lethal force against him.
Maybe he shot at officers, maybe he shot just to make sure a suicide by cop would work


One of the other points I don't see getting debunked as much as it should is the very concept of it being a black suspect in the first place. If he was wearing a black ski mask, then unless police already had an ID on him from running his plates, they wouldn't actually be immediately aware what race he is. He's just some adult male in a black ski mask who fired a shot out of his vehicle while being pursued by police, who turned and reached into his waistband.
from that bodycam footage, like that picture on page 1, I really can't tell anything about the guy's appearance. I mean, that's the whole point of criminals wearing black ski masks

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Well, or he shot out his window at no particular target for the purpose of escalating with police so that they'd use lethal force against him.
Maybe he shot at officers, maybe he shot just to make sure a suicide by cop would work

Okay, fair enough, it could have been a "warning shot" into the air. But in terms of escalating the situation with the police, a warning shot in this specific situation is as good as shooting at them.


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One of the other points I don't see getting debunked as much as it should is the very concept of it being a black suspect in the first place. If he was wearing a black ski mask, then unless police already had an ID on him from running his plates, they wouldn't actually be immediately aware what race he is. He's just some adult male in a black ski mask who fired a shot out of his vehicle while being pursued by police, who turned and reached into his waistband.
from that bodycam footage, like that picture on page 1, I really can't tell anything about the guy's appearance. I mean, that's the whole point of criminals wearing black ski masks

Was he wearing gloves? Because if not, the first cops on the scene should have seen his hands and been able to infer that he's black. The cops who arrived on the scene slightly later just followed the lead of their colleagues who were already riddling him with bullets.

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He was armed during the car chase, the gun was found lying on the seat of his car:
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/akron-police-jayland-walker-03-gty-llr-220703_1656875393021_hpEmbed_33x16_992.jpg

The police has also released several freeze frames and footage of the flash from when he (presumably) shot from the window of his car. So whether he was armed or unarmed when he jumped out of his car and tried to flee by foot, he was definitely armed during the preceding car chase and the cops had every reason to assume that he had shot at them with his gun. It was impossible for them to know that he had left his gun on the driver seat before leaving his car. So when he turned around and reached with his hand, the cops were not wiling to bet their life on the possibility that the fleeing suspect who had been armed and had shot at them just a few seconds earlier might have left his gun behind.


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