Quote (Plaguefear @ 16 Jun 2022 03:44)
How is it unrelated?
They are literally protesting the exact opposite side of the people you are calling terrorists, using the same means..
@bold, yes they do and have done, many times.
Barnett Slepian
George tiller
Dr. David Gunn
Thats three i could come up with in 2 minutes, name three judges killed by the other side.
Are you high or drunk? Be honest now. The mob gathered around Kavanaugh's home were gathered around his private residential property threatening his life and the lives of his family in order to effect legislation. A man crossed the entire nation in an attempt to assassinate Kavanaugh in order to change legislation.
A group of people outside a business saying "stop murdering children" is neither an attempt to effect legislation, nor is it a threat. Do you understand?
Your pathetic attempts to tie these events together is merely another attempt to support terrorism. Flat out. The appropriate response would be "Prosecute the would-be assassin to the fullest extent of the law, and prosecute the mob threatening him and his family to the fullest extent of the law (5K fine + 1 year in jail) and call it good." Instead, you're attempting to justify it. So let's take a look at your three "examples" of how "the right" reacts.
Barnett Slepian was killed by James Charles Kopp in a assassination style sniper shooting. Kopp was an international terrorist from California who was charged and/or suspected in multiple crimes all across Canada and the US. His actions were universally condemned, not just left and right, but even by anti-abortion activists themselves. Turns out, this guy was a crazy terrorist, and the call from the "right" was to execute him for his crimes. However, New York, which has been ruled by Democrats for the last Century, refused, and gave him life without parole. This murder occurred in 1998, btw, under a Democrat president notorious, among other things, for his anti gay marriage, pro gun control, and pro abortion stance, at a time when the SCOTUS refused to hear any challenges to Roe v Wade or Planned Parenthood v Casey.
George Tiller was a late term abortionist who was well-known for murdering viable babies during the 8th and 9th month of pregnancy. He was assassinated by Scott Philip Roeder, a guy with no priors, who apparently disliked the murder of viable babies. It was a straight out assassination, from a person apparently unaffiliated with any form of activist or protest group or even political party. His actions were universally condemned, with demands from the right to charge him with a capital crime and execute him. Yet for all that, the Democrat-led state of Kansas refused to charge him with a capital offense, and merely gave him 50 to life, which they commuted (without apparent reason) to 25 to life. He may very well be let out on parole at some point in the next decade or so, specifically because of Democrat policy in Kansas. This assassination occurred in a Democrat led state, under a Democrat President in 2009.
Dr. David Gunn was murdered by Michael Frederick Griffin in Florida. He used a perfectly legal and peaceful protest to hide himself until the Dr. showed up to work, then stepped out and shot him. He was sentenced to Life Imprisonment, and while he has appealed multiple times, the soonest he could possibly get out of jail would be 2043, at which time he'd be 82 years old, and such a release would still require a successful appeal, which he is unlikely to receive. His act was condemned not only by all political affiliations, but by the other protestors as well, all of whom reported they'd never seen him before, he had nothing to do with them. From the point of his crime to his conviction he was under detainment, with no potential for re-offense allowed. Nationally, Florida faced heated rebuke over not sentencing him to death, and still do. Unfortunately, Florida is very hesitant to exercise capital punishment for anyone who is not a serial killer, which Griffin was not. So, he will rot until he either dies, or is so old that going to the bathroom will be a chore. Note that this murder occurred in 1993, once again under a Democrat President, with a Democratic Governor of Florida failing to pressure the state prosecutors to seek the death penalty.
Now, as a result of the actions of these three, among a few others, the "Access to Entry" legislation was passed, preventing protestors from blocking entrances and exits to businesses, and disallowing them from protesting on the business's direct property, with the exception of shopping centers, where the business does not actually own the property, in which case the parking lot can still be used for protest, as long as people are not blocked from... Parking.
What all three of these people have in common, as contemptable and downright dastardly as they all were, was a desire to stop seeing babies murdered. Griffin was reported to have shouted "STOP KILLING BABIES" when he murdered Gunn. And yet, none of the three were active in actual protests, none of the three were part of groups of protestors. Each of these went with the intent to kill abortionists, each of these three cases occurred while Democrats were in office both in the White House and in the State Governance. And in all three cases, Republicans nationwide were calling for the death penalty.
Now, on the contrary to this, Nicholas John Roske crossed the nation from California to DC with the arms and armament to assassinate Kavanaugh specifically to change the vote regarding Roe v Wade. There is no question, he has admitted to it. Legislation was passed to prevent any form of protest or picketing of judges specifically because they are NOT political (or not supposed to be), and EVERY so-called protest at a judge's house involves threats and typically violence, EVERY so-called protest at a judge's residence (or courthouse) involves a case. It was determined that if judges are to be apolitical, and not a part of the business world, having pitchfork-waving mobs at their doors any time the political wind shifts is bad, hence the law against it.
And multiple Federal Judges have been murdered in office. You're a fan of wiki, spend 2 seconds and go look it up yourself. What you'll find is that most of them were murdered over case decisions. Big surprise, eh? As a result of some of the earlier murders, information regarding the addresses and phone numbers of these judges were not made public. Why have the so-called "conservatives" on the Supreme Court all had their private home addresses given out by such stunning and brave publications as WaPo and the Daily Beast? Why have politicians such as Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, and Kamala Harris encouraged people to violate federal law and protest these judges?
The bottom line is every time you claim that "people on my side" did this or that, you're simply making shit up. None of the murderers/terrorists involved have or had anything to do with me, and I do not support murder or any other form of violence in relation to politics whatsoever, unless it is in the last defense of your life, such as the Rittenhouse case. I believe all three of the murderers should have been executed, and frankly, I don't care how states set their abortion laws. If California or West Virginia want to allow it up until birth, or 7 days after birth, or whatever nonsensical bullshit they can justify to themselves? That's their business. If Oklahoma wants to ban it outright? Good on them. If Texas, Arizona, and Florida want to limit abortion to pre-heartbeat, giving pregnant women 15-16 weeks (that'd be nearly 4 months, well into the second trimester)? Great! You've already stated you don't give a shit about laws, how about the Constitution? The Constitution states that any rights not enumerated therein fall to the States. Abortion does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Roe was a shitty judgement and an attempt to pass federal law from the bench, usurping the powers of the Legislature. It was done in the hope that it would tamp down the outcry and outrage over abortion, and instead, it enflamed it. Likewise with Planned Parenthood vs Casey. Overturning them both and letting the States deal with it is fine. IF Congress wanted to get together and pen their names to legislation federally legalizing abortion, that's super! I support the idea. Warning: Anyone voting FOR any form of late term abortion will be unlikely to win re-election. Which is why they don't touch it.
So, how are these things comparable, exactly? Millions of protests have occurred outside abortion clinics in the last 10 years. You couldn't even point to one murder or bombing in the last 10 years. I'm pointing at an attempted assassination that occurred this month, and heavily armed crowds of protestors actively threatening him and his family mere hours after, along with Justice Barrett, when we passed a federal statute banning pickets/protests of Judges homes or Courthouses specifically to avoid embroiling those who's concern is supposed to be "blind justice" and "enforcing the Constitution" in pure partisan politics.
Go on, terrorist sympathizer, continue on continuing on trying to compare nonsensical bullshit to the attempted assassination of a SCOTUS judge, and the ongoing threats against he and other (NON-POLITICAL) SCOTUS justices and their families. For the record, had people pulled this shit with RBG, there would have been a public outcry from both left and right. Had there been an attempted assassination of RBG, there would have been a universal outcry. Where's your outcry now?
You have no principles. Terrorism is fine, and it's not "really" terrorism, because those bad people are guilty of wrongthink!
This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 16 2022 06:01am