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May 27 2022 02:57pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ May 28 2022 08:20am)
yes cans of soup kill lots of people..
shit argument
oh and I never said ban? who says ban?


I was talking to op actually but I suppose by extention you can be merged together.

No need to play coy with us. The implied message has always been guns bad let's ban and or cancel anything we dont like and has been the theme of the leftists since forever.
We all know what your kind is like by now. No need to play armchair lawyer and word gymnastics.

It's a shit argument because it was demonstration of irony try to keep up. One of these days it might finally catch up to you that all leftists do is reactively crying and actively trying to ban/cancel.

Rep logic goes along the lines school mass shooting happens "it's tragic and should not have occurred, but the real problem is mental health and well being of the kids who go out and do those things." This doesn't change the immutable right to bear arms this means we need to address the state of the shooter because no happy and healthy teenager goes out to kill everyone in school period. And maybe proper training/education is needed or more stricter storage is required etc.

We don't ban cars because they kill hundreds or thousands of people every day or say we should stop driving. We don't go around saying a truck is worse then a car because it can cause more damage if it crashes. We say they drivers are expected to uphold the law and proper licences and penalties are in place to prevent those things from occurring.
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May 27 2022 03:07pm
Quote (addone @ May 27 2022 01:57pm)
I was talking to op actually but I suppose by extention you can be merged together.

No need to play coy with us. The implied message has always been guns bad let's ban and or cancel anything we dont like and has been the theme of the leftists since forever.
We all know what your kind is like by now. No need to play armchair lawyer and word gymnastics.

It's a shit argument because it was demonstration of irony try to keep up. One of these days it might finally catch up to you that all leftists do is reactively crying and actively trying to ban/cancel.

Rep logic goes along the lines school mass shooting happens "it's tragic and should not have occurred, but the real problem is mental health and well being of the kids who go out and do those things." This doesn't change the immutable right to bear arms this means we need to address the state of the shooter because no happy and healthy teenager goes out to kill everyone in school period. And maybe proper training/education is needed or more stricter storage is required etc.

We don't ban cars because they kill hundreds or thousands of people every day or say we should stop driving. We don't go around saying a truck is worse then a car because it can cause more damage if it crashes. We say they drivers are expected to uphold the law and proper licences and penalties are in place to prevent those things from occurring.


nope never said ban.. I own 3 guns
I said responsibly own punish law breakers. Maybe add insurance, we do that for cars who kill people
thats a long essay to be off the mark
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May 27 2022 03:15pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ May 27 2022 03:10pm)
not being an insured gun owner revokes your right to own it. tracking a letting insurance make money of deciding who is stable enough to own one.
Yes they wont get all of them but they can arrest etc. people caught with guns that aren't part of the "system" or give them a ticket etc.
as a gun owner I woulnd't mind paying some small insurance fee to make sure others were responsible owners etc.
I am aware that it has some flaws.. so does shooting fucking grade school kids


I'm sorry, this is just dumb.

Quote (SBD @ May 27 2022 03:12pm)
Really, is there any purpose at all outside a bolt action or lever action rifle and a 24-28" shotgun?

That covers the vast majority of all your hunting, maybe not gunning down hogs from a chopper.


The 2A exists to ensure we can shoot back, not hunt.

Quote (fender @ May 27 2022 03:15pm)
reading them correctly would have helped you: i literally wrote "owning guns" ( https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=94885434&f=119&p=616484395 ), which you straw-manned that as "right to defend oneself" ( https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=94885434&f=119&p=616489869 ).

again my question: why do you believe in "divine rights" when you aren't even religious?




What makes you think I'm not religious? My libertarian-based anti-abortion argument over the NAP? I believe in God. I don't necessarily adhere to the church tho.
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May 27 2022 03:21pm
Quote (Santara @ May 27 2022 02:15pm)
I'm sorry, this is just dumb.



The 2A exists to ensure we can shoot back, not hunt.



https://hirewritetalent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/same-picture.jpg

What makes you think I'm not religious? My libertarian-based anti-abortion argument over the NAP? I believe in God. I don't necessarily adhere to the church tho.



Yea what’s dumber is doing nothing
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May 27 2022 03:33pm
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Schools do have a gun ban?

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Facebook became available to high school students?
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May 27 2022 03:38pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ May 27 2022 04:21pm)
Yea what’s dumber is doing nothing


Well you're acting like insurance would have stopped Ramos. He shelled out thousands for top of the line rifles, a few tens of dollars for "insurance" was clearly not going to be a hurdle.

Meanwhile, my kids go to schools that have a single secured entrance where you have to be buzzed into the building outside of drop off times.
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May 27 2022 03:44pm
Quote (Santara @ May 27 2022 02:38pm)
Well you're acting like insurance would have stopped Ramos. He shelled out thousands for top of the line rifles, a few tens of dollars for "insurance" was clearly not going to be a hurdle.

Meanwhile, my kids go to schools that have a single secured entrance where you have to be buzzed into the building outside of drop off times.


I often think that we focus too much on individual shootings when discussing policy. In the Ramos case, he seemed pretty determined so nothing would have stopped him besides getting guns in the first place. The question becomes, "is there a policy that would have prevented him from getting a weapon?" I'm not convinced that there is without making semi-autos really difficult to get or we get really intrusive in our background checks (internet history, psych evaluations, etc.)
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May 27 2022 03:54pm
Quote (Santara @ 27 May 2022 23:15)
I'm sorry, this is just dumb.



The 2A exists to ensure we can shoot back, not hunt.



https://hirewritetalent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/same-picture.jpg

What makes you think I'm not religious? My libertarian-based anti-abortion argument over the NAP? I believe in God. I don't necessarily adhere to the church tho.


ha, i just knew there was a religious background behind the arrogance to deny women self-determination based on some scientifically indefensible idea of what a "child" / a person is. libertarianism might be silly and stupid, but usually they avoid such obvious contradictions since they are (justifiably) mocked plenty for their usual rubbish. only a true nutjob would be in favour of laws that would force his own daughter to have a rapist's baby, even if it destroyed her life forever. you usually don't get that kind of extremism from level-headed, reasonable, and intelligent people...

also, TIL that before guns were invented, people didn't have the "divine right" to defend themselves.

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May 27 2022 04:04pm
Quote (Santara @ May 27 2022 03:15pm)
I'm sorry, this is just dumb.



The 2A exists to ensure we can shoot back, not hunt.



https://hirewritetalent.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/same-picture.jpg

What makes you think I'm not religious? My libertarian-based anti-abortion argument over the NAP? I believe in God. I don't necessarily adhere to the church tho.


Cant imagine living in a country where I feel or even consider the right to shoot back. It's nice living in a country where the mass majority don't even consider or need to consider such things. Leads to a bunch of people not living on edge keeping a gun next to their bedroom table.

#Canadianprivlage I guess
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May 27 2022 04:05pm
Quote (fender @ May 27 2022 04:54pm)
ha, i just knew there was a religious background behind the arrogance to deny women self-determination based on some scientifically indefensible idea of what a "child" / a person is. libertarianism might be silly and stupid, but usually they avoid such obvious contradictions since they are (justifiably) mocked plenty for their usual rubbish. only a true nutjob would be in favour of laws that would force his own daughter to have a rapist's baby, even if it destroyed her life forever. you usually don't get that kind of extremism from level-headed, reasonable, and intelligent people...

also, TIL that before guns were invented, people didn't have the "divine right" to defend themselves.

https://c.tenor.com/xWXiWElcmZEAAAAC/cuckoo-coocoo.gif


No you didn't, because there isn't, because you're fucking clueless. And the only thing scientifically indefensible is refusing to call the fetus "life,"

Yeah, I'm totally gonna bring my fucking halberd out to fight off the home intruders! Moron.
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