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May 22 2022 06:36pm
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So you're saying there's something inherent to black people that makes them do worse?

I just want to be clear on what your position is.


I'm just giving you a broader perspective. You narrowed down "racism" in America to anecdotes and argue that whites in America are oppressing the blacks so something is owed to the latter - as per CRT.

So I'm wondering where is this promise land for black people where a lack of American whiteness has produced a Wakandian paradise.

There's got to be at least one in a world of well over a billion of black people.

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On a more serious note, here is a self-description from the standard textbook on Critical Race Theory:

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May 22 2022 06:37pm
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That sounds like a good start as long as the one you can get by calling doesn't cost and can be obtained in a timely manner.


Well its free if you don't have a driver's license, and if you have one you'd be nuts for buying a state ID since it disables your driver's license
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May 22 2022 06:43pm
And followup, here's how democrats reacted to the photo ID laws in Wisconsin;

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/

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Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/24/tammy-baldwin/photo-id-law-caused-200000-drop-wisconsin-voter-tu/

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Tammy Baldwin: "Voter turnout in 2016 was reduced by approx. 200,000 votes because of WI’s photo ID laws." (rating: Mostly False)


https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/nation-world/2015/03/23/supreme-court-rejects-challenge-to/22285756007/

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The American Civil Liberties Union and allied groups persuaded Adelman to declare the law unconstitutional last year.

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago later ruled that the law did not violate the Constitution.
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May 22 2022 06:47pm
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Elon Musk summarized it well.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1526997132858822658%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2022%2Fmay%2F18%2Felon-musk-republican-political-attacks

If things don't go their way, first they'll pull the race card. If it's not there, then they'll accuse you of rape. If it's not there or you're a woman, then they'll attack your faith (as long as it's not islam).

If all else fails they'll send their mobs to your house who will then threaten you with violence.


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May 22 2022 06:47pm
This article sums up my opinion on CRT pretty neatly:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/opinion/racism-antiracism-discrimination.html

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The three [examples giving in the opening of the article] raise distinct legal and ethical questions. But they’re all variations of the same basic debate between newfangled equity and old-fashioned equality — between those, like the writer Ibram X. Kendi, who want new forms of what he calls “antiracist discrimination” to remedy past forms of racial discrimination, and those who, to paraphrase Chief Justice John Roberts, think we can stop discrimination on the basis of race without discriminating on the basis of race.

It shouldn’t be hard to guess who is going to win that debate.
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The deeper reason is that advocates of equity do two things that offend ordinary sensibilities — one of them sly, the other blunt.
Sly is the redefinition of the word “equity,” which in common English means the quality of being fair and impartial, to mean something closer to the opposite: the quality of being anything but impartial to achieve a desired, supposedly fairer result.
And blunt is the racial preference, the explicit segregation, the insulting assumption-making and the overall intellectual sophistry that is antiracist ideology in action.

To have something called a “whiteness accountability” group is insulting to everyone who still believes we should be judged by the content of our character. To expect Jewish staff members to be assigned to that group is obscene, particularly when the Holocaust is still a living memory. To suggest that the federal government should be in the business of lending discrimination when lending discrimination is otherwise a crime makes a mockery of the law the government is supposed to enforce. To disfavor reporters purely on the basis of their race is definitionally racist, whatever the higher justification.

All this would have been too obvious for words until just a few years ago. The new dispensation in which racism is justified in the name of antiracism, discrimination in the service of equality, and favoritism for the sake of an even playing field, is exactly as Orwellian as it sounds. It may find purchase in the usual institutional and political progressive circles, but it’s not a good way to win converts when most of us believe that the promise of America lies in escaping the narrow prisms of race and identity, not being permanently trapped by them.


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May 22 2022 06:51pm
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I'm just giving you a broader perspective. You narrowed down "racism" in America to anecdotes and argue that whites in America are oppressing the blacks so something is owed to the latter - as per CRT.

So I'm wondering where is this promise land for black people where a lack of American whiteness has produced a Wakandian paradise.

There's got to be at least one in a world of well over a billion of black people.


I actually gave you specific cases of legalized racism. Not anecdotes.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think there's something inherent, or genetic, about black people that keeps them from success? Be honest now.
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May 22 2022 06:57pm
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Doesn't sound orwellian at all. In fact it's about the exact opposite of Orwell as you can get. It's patently obvious that in order to lift up an oppressed people you have to... target the oppressed people. If those people were oppressed based on a certain race, you target that race. That's not racism, that's just reality. It's a smoothe brain take to say it's "racism in the name of anti-racism" to do that.

I don't remember if you answered me. I asked specifically if you would be okay with finding families specifically hurt by red-lining and comprensating them for it. You said you were fine with Japanese reparations because it was done shortly after the interments, but I don't remember what you answered when I asked this question on red lining.

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I actually gave you specific cases of legalized racism. Not anecdotes.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think there's something inherent, or genetic, about black people that keeps them from success? Be honest now.


Nah, I asked first. If you think those ill-fated "legalized racism" is what's causing black underperformance in America, then what's causing it everywhere else?
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I mean the whole thing completely falls apart for the same reason racism in general does, because its illogical to try to ascribe any attributes to the specific person based on their skin color as opposed to their personal merits. Because that's what CRT is, racism. You can't just lump jews, asians, the irish, WASPs, boors, ukrainians, ivory tower liberal elites and hicks together as if they are one monolithic racial construct any more than you can group nigerians, ethiopians, african-americans, somalis, liberians and aborigines together. Most of them don't look alike and have no shared cultural history. And that's on top of the fact that even within racial groupings, each individual has their own specific qualities let alone their ancestry, none of which is necessarily reflected in braindead labeling. Why should the descendants of white people taken as slaves by the moors a few hundred years ago be discriminated against in favor of the descendants of those moors? Try getting a CRT advocate to unfuck that

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