10 Republicans voted to impeach Trump, many more have acknowledged Biden's victory and/or pushed back against Trump's "big lie". Yet Cheney and Kinzinger were the only ones who were happy to be used by Pelosi for giving the Jan 6 committee the semblance of bipartisanship and who were actively participating in the Democrats' efforts to smear not just Trump but the entire Republican brand.



Speaking of "facts, obvious truths and basic decency": In Michigan's 3rd congressional district, the GOP incumbent was Peter Meijer, who had voted to impeach Trump and publicly chided his efforts to overturn or undermine Biden's election. This is not a 'trumpy' district and Meijer would have beaten back John Gibbs, his Trump-endorsed, election-denying challenger. But out of cynical calculus, Democrats spent massively on behalf of Gibbs (5 times more than Gibbs himself had been able to raise), which pushed Gibbs ahead of Meijer by a razor thin margin, making him the GOP nominee and giving him a realistic shot at being elected to Congress.

Democrats in the Jan 6 committee are constantly screeching about what a grave threat to American democracy the insurrectionists as well as the election-deniers who "enabled" them are. They want to convince the American public that these people are super dangerous and must be stopped at any cost. Yet in this race (and many many others across the country!), they have happily propped up these radicals in Republican primaries because it gave them a more beatable general election opponent. In order to slightly improve the chance of the seats going Democratic, they increase the risk that an election-denying radical gets elected instead. In a direct and undeniable contradiction of their rhetoric surrounding Jan. 6, that's a tradeoff Democrats are all too happy to make. So much for putting "country before party", lmao. They are fucking hypocrites and you, of course, are fully on board with their narrative and talking points.

it’s little wonder why disgraced groups like so-called “lincoln project” (pedo protectors) and wierdo disgraced people like heinrich support lizzy cheney. she’s such a dreadful human being that loves never-ending wars and she campaigned against same-sex marriage after her own younger sister came out as lesbian. Lizzy is just an icky person

LOL! Pelosi is the one who exploited Cheney? Give me a break! This has nothing to do with Pelosi and everything to do with Cheney sticking to her guns. Cheney needs to take responsibility for her actions and her decision making.

You're correct that the party has moved to the left on social policy but they've moved towards the right on economic policy. That's not really relevant though because we live in a post-policy world. People vote for the personality that resonates with them the most.



I don't know if Cheney has worked to elect Democrats but I agree that she's out of step with her voters.

McConnell told Trump straight up that he was a fucking loser. He is still the most powerful Republican in government. McCarthy defended Cheney's vote as a vote of conscience. Her opinion on Trump was well known, all she had to do was put her head down and focus on electing Republicans. She couldn't do it, instead she spurned the party to serve as a figurehead on the Jan 6th committee, whose only real goal is to elect members of the Democratic party.

LOL! That's definitely a stretch. I'll give you that one of their main goals is to ensure that Trump shouldn't ever be President again but that's very different than what you're claiming.

I hope the committees goal was to perform an investigation into a potential criminal and seditious act. Otherwise... the implications.... would be astounding.

The DNC is pouring money into Republican contests to ensure that Trumpian candidates win their races. That doesn't strike me as the line someone would take if they were legitimately concerned with a threat to democratic governance. The DNC calculates (probably correctly!) that it's easier to run against Trump endorsed candidates. They're begging Trump to run.

I thought that was illegal.

After Pelosi rejected several Trump-supporting picks for the committee, it was clear that genuine, open-minded bipartisanship was out of the window and that this committee would be a partisan affair designed to inflict as much damage on Trump and the Republican brand as possible. Cheney allowed Pelosi to use her to give this committee the pretense of bipartisanship. But okay, maybe the verb "exploit" wasn't ideal here.



Excuse me, but what the fuck are you smoking? Do you seriously suggest that the Democratic party has moved to the right on economic policy, relative to where it stood in 2008 under Obama? They used to support a very limited-in-scope healthcare reform in Obamacare, nowaways, large parts of the party embrace medicare for all while the rest still supports significantly expanding Obamacare. They handled the Great Recession with narrow, restrained stimulus packages, nowadays, they can't throw enough money at any problem.

The mainstream of the party wanted BBB to have a price tag of around $3.5 trillion, progressives wanted to go into the vicinity of $6 trillion. And that's on top of multiple multi-trillion dollar covid relief packages and soaring inflation. They support child tax credits, price controls and carbon taxes and all that stuff. The only reason for the Inflation Reduction Act working mostly with subsidies and incentives instead of outright restrictions is that their majority hinged on a senator from a coal state which Trump had carried by 40 points...

Sorry for my ignorance, but can you name me even a single economic issue on which Democrats have moved to the right since 2008? Look, I understand that Democrats have moved to the right on economic policy during the 80s and 90s, but that's the distant past. When people discuss whether a party has moved to the left or the right, they usually refer to the recent decade or so as the standard of comparison, not to 40 years ago when their own parents were still going to high school...

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Pelosi literally rejected two members who were INVOLVED WITH PLANNING JAN 6. Don't act like it's her fault when McCarthy knew EXACTLY what he was doing. We've gone over the sequence of events MULTIPLE times now so you're either have the memory of a goldfish or you're being disingenuous.

It's pretty obvious that the Dems have moved to the right on economic policy, ESPECIALLY when you compare it to what Obama ran on. Out of curiosity, what's your age? I don't want to ding you on not knowing about things like Occupy Wall Street, wanting to repeal the GWB tax cuts, etc. It's easy to look back at what the results were and pretend there wasn't a debate at the time but these folks were VERY liberal.

For example, here is a quote by Obama before he ran: "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its gross national product on health care, cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that's what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. That's what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we've got to take back the White House, we've got to take back the Senate, and we've got to take back the House."