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Dec 29 2021 08:06pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 29 2021 07:36pm)
Except that you guys aren't right in this instance.

The Comey case clearly proves that for practical purposes, Trump was not able to fire FBI personnel at will, that there did exist forms of bad press he had to be afraid of and that him not trying to purge the FBI any further is not necessarily indicative of being friendly with them.


Massive reaching. You're gonna break your back trying to make excuses.

Trump actively installed yes men everywhere for his entire presidency, Media be damned.

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Quote (Sioux @ Dec 30 2021 03:59am)
You do realize this was almost 20 years ago? Weren't you just crying in a different thread that people are still talking about trump


20 years ago? Statute of Limitations has not yet ran out to jail for life the "reasonable" Lefties who lied about WMD's in Iraq.


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Trump actively removed people to add yes men all through the administration. Trump thought very little of the media criticism as evidenced by the fact he did it all throughout and even did it in the middle of an investigation.



Yeah, and so has every single administration since the past several decades.

But it's different when Trump does it, why exactly?

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Dec 29 2021 08:16pm
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Massive reaching. You're gonna break your back trying to make excuses.

Trump actively installed yes men everywhere for his entire presidency, Media be damned.


Massive reaching. You're gonna break your back trying to make excuses.

Only FBI operatives Trump felt safe to fire were those that were caught for their disgraced actions, which served as "shield" against media propaganda (such as Comey LYING to Trump's face).


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Dec 29 2021 08:17pm
Anyone who sincerely believes that sexual abuse of children is unique to only one wing of political thought (and that is coincidentally the same wing you're opposed to), is a hack who has never engaged with trafficking survivors or abused children--and better yet, doesn't actually care about the children.
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Dec 29 2021 08:31pm
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Yeah, and so has every single administration since the past several decades.

But it's different when Trump does it, why exactly?


Because other administrations don't make being a yes-man a prerequisite to being considered. Trump actively fired people if they refused to take a loyalty pledge. That kind of thing is unheard of and absolutely not normal among administrations.
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Dec 29 2021 08:32pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 30 2021 03:11am)
No, of course not.


I was not trying to defend his take - I just skimmed over this thread and saw 3 guys who normally post reasonable takes commit the same logic error, so I felt compelled to correct it.



Fuck you too :)


why waste breath explaining yourself to some loser who intentionally falsely claimed there was no racial motivation in recent Waukesha slaughter

its clear that this individual is willing to say any lie for slightest chance of swaying someone to his view, hence his fake "q" accusation against me which he can't prove in any way



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Trump actively removed people to add yes men all through the administration. Trump thought very little of the media criticism as evidenced by the fact he did it all throughout and even did it in the middle of an investigation.

Trump also did try to block investigations and did fire the single highest ranking FBI member.

You're really grasping here.


Yeah, and how did firing the highest ranking FBI member turn out for Trump? Although this particular firing was very justifiable on the merits of the case (a president Hillary would probably have fired him too, lol!), it still almost destroyed his presidency and had a long-term destabilizing and debilitating effect.

I am sure that no other administration in history tried to place loyalists throughout the federal bureaucracy and the intelligence community. Or tried to block delicate investigations. Mmmmkay.

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Yeah, and how did firing the highest ranking FBI member turn out for Trump? Although this particular firing was very justifiable on the merits of the case (a president Hillary would probably have fired him too, lol!), it still almost destroyed his presidency and had a long-term destabilizing and debilitating effect.

I am sure that no other administration in history tried to place loyalists throughout the federal bureaucracy and the intelligence community. Or tried to block delicate investigations. Mmmmkay.


"It almost destroyed his presidency"

How fucking stupid. He barely lost, appointed more judges than anybody else, and never faced any consequences. He barely lost his reelection and it can be blamed almost entirely on the pandemic for his slim loss. For fucks sake he survived two impeachment attempts handily. If anything the absolute lack of consequences for firing Comey gave him the absolute green light to keep going.



We've had this conversation before, and all you could muster was a vague gesturing to Trump's polling numbers dropping that were better explained by other events. and I imagine in a few months we'll have it again, and you offer just as much.

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Dec 29 2021 09:29pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 29 2021 07:19pm)
tried to block delicate investigations. Mmmmkay.


The last president to try was Nixon and we know how that turned out.
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