Quote (AvanineCommuter @ Dec 21 2021 05:06pm)

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/mass-torts/articles/2021/winter2022-not-breaking-news-mandatory-vaccination-has-been-constitutional-for-over-a-century/

“ Thus, mandatory vaccination in smallpox days, as now in COVID-19 times, is entirely constitutional. “Upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.” Id. Where a communicable disease is “prevalent” and, worse, “increasing,” “the court would usurp the functions of another branch of government if it adjudged, as matter of law, that the mode adopted under the sanction of the state, to protect the people at large was arbitrary, and not justified by the necessities of the case.” Id. at 28. Given “the knowledge which, it is safe to affirm, is common to all civilized peoples touching smallpox and the methods most usually employed to eradicate that disease,” mandatory vaccination was neither “arbitrary” nor “unreasonable.” Id.

If the mode adopted by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for the protection of its local communities against smallpox proved to be distressing, inconvenient, or objectionable to some, . . . the answer is that it was the duty of the constituted authorities primarily to keep in view the welfare, comfort and safety of the many, and not permit the interests of the many to be subordinated to the wishes or convenience of the few. . . . n every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.
Id. at 27–28.

The same arguments we see today thus failed over a century ago in Jacobson. Persons who “attach little or no value to vaccination as a means of preventing” disease, or who claim “that vaccination causes other diseases,” must give way to the modern consensus. Vaccines work. “What everybody knows the court must know, and therefore the state court judicially knew, as this court knows, that an opposite theory accords with the common belief, and is maintained by high medical authority.” Id. at 30. The judiciary should not overturn a vaccine mandate. “[T]he principle of vaccination as a means to prevent the spread of [disease] has been enforced in many states by statutes making the vaccination of children a condition of their right to enter or remain in public schools.” Id. at 31–32 (string citation omitted). What was “generally accepted” in 1905 is equally applicable today:

The common belief, however, is that [vaccination] has a decided tendency to prevent the spread of this fearful disease, and to render it less dangerous to those who contract it. While not accepted by all, it is accepted by the mass of the people, as well as by most members of the medical profession. It has been general . . . in most civilized nations for generations. It is generally accepted in theory and generally applied in practice, both by the voluntary action of the people and in obedience to the command of law.”

Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 06:03pm)

Were they or were they not required to by federal government under fear of financial ruin, because of the # of employees they have?

I feel like thats a pretty necessary piece of information in your shit post there sir.

Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 21 2021 04:37pm)

the definition was always wrong till now. what about all the other definitions? are they also wrong? is is every one of them right it was only "vaccine" that was a problem.



thats right surpunk has magical powers his imagination brings him the truth of the world.

Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 01:19pm)

I will never get this experimental jab, there is nothing anyone could say or do. I was considering it until my government thought they have the power to remove me from society without consenting to their experimental medical procedure. Now its a form of protest. I run my own business and I do not abide by the vaxx pass rules and I never will.

Quote (SorceressAndrea @ Dec 21 2021 03:11pm)

It wasn't wrong lol it was being misinterpreted by people like you, so they tried to make the definition even clear enough for a child. Obviously, that did not work lol.

Quote (TiStuff @ 21 Dec 2021 23:14)

looks more like they runnin a scam and someones a chump

Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 21 2021 05:37pm)

thats great your a snob thats been trained to think inside a box. thats what the square hat represents (box/conditioned) you should consider and reconsider everything once you realize how irrational your arguments have been.

Quote (AvanineCommuter @ Dec 21 2021 05:14pm)

This was what you said. I’m merely showing that there is legal precedence for this - it’s not a “new” thing or a power grab to infringe upon your rights. It has been done prior.

The severity of smallpox vs covid is obviously incomparable - but you then have to ask yourself - at what threshold of deaths is acceptable for you before you submit? I assume 820k dead Americans isn’t enough.

Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 07:09pm)

First, I firmly disagree that 820K Americans have died from COVID. There is obvious pressure to inflate these numbers to justify the measures taken.
Second, It would need to be a far higher number than that, yes.

How do you feel about the "protestors" in the heart of this supposed COVID introduction? Did their right to protest supersede the rights of others to not get the virus (Which I dont believe is a right but lets say it is)? If they did, why doesnt mine?

Quote (AvanineCommuter @ Dec 21 2021 06:55pm)

Whether or not you believe that number doesn’t matter - facts are facts. If you knew anything about epidemiology, you’d know that death counts are actually UNDERCOUNTED, especially during a pandemic, somewhere upwards of 20%. Simply compare excess deaths per year, regardless of cause of death, and you’ll see a huge spike in 2020 and 2021 in which the official tally of Covid-19 attributed deaths don’t even match.

If you’re going to be skeptical of statistics, at least make sure you understand the fundamentals.

I wasn’t a huge proponent of the protests during the pandemic, not because I don’t agree with what they were protesting (I do), but because it went against public health policy. So there’s that.

In that regard, I don’t know if there was any legal precedent on one right impacting another and how it was resolved. Either way, you don’t have a right to not get vaccinated during a global pandemic if vaccine mandates are imposed. And until the supreme court says otherwise, tant pis.