Nope, try again.

As a holiday treat, may give some fg to the winner.

nothing screams "i dont know history, but my justification is history" like a confederate flag fan that just cant admit its to get liberals mad and nothing more.

I grew up in Missouri.

The older I get, the more I learn to appreciate it.. although I moved because I thought I hated it.

How ironic

This is 100% not true.
They was fighting against northern aggression.
The north started the war.
The south just wanted to leave.

I grew up here.
But moved away for a long time.
Lived in several cities.
Came home and never leaving again.

do you believe in the constitution of the United States?

Wrong on all accounts, but I'll start by pointing out that the confederate states and the confederacy as a whole went out of its way to demonstrate beyond any semblence of a doubt that their reason for secession was because their right to hold slaves was being infringed on.

11 of the 13 states were explicitly seceeding for slavery, the last two seceeded becuase they didn't like how the North handled the secession. This is laid out explicitly by the seceeding states including in the following

Mississippi - "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth."

South Carolina - "For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the *forms* [emphasis in the original] of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction."

Texas - "She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy."

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Dec 15 2021 02:26pm

Yes, every southerner who fought in the war did to.

I can't emphasize this enough. There is ZERO honest argument to be made that secession didn't happen becuase of slavery.

None. Zip. Nada. Zero.

The seceeding states made painstaking efforts to associate itself with slavery and identify its reason for secession as the protection of the institution of slavery.

Guys, please. A civil war happened because any attempts to split up the US would result in a huge loss of imperial power for the nation.

The same thing would happen today if Texas or some other state seceded. There would be a war immediately. Why? Because the ruling elites cannot tolerate loss of territory, it would cause them to lose power as a ruling world hegemony, the US would not be able to project force globally if states were seceding back home.

So it would not be about whatever pretext they make up, but about maintaining control over territory and thus maintaining its status as a global world power, which would not be possible in the event of a breakup of the country.