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Dec 3 2021 11:19am
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So is the "new entity" automatically a person?


yes, until it isn't.
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Dec 3 2021 11:24am
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Conception is the only logical point that a new entity has been created.


so a fertilised egg is already a person to you?! even before it's attached to the uterus that is?

are you sure there are no religious sentiments behind that "opinion", because that is one of the most extreme stances an anti-choice advocate could possibly have, and usually i encounter them in religious zealots, not your run of the mill women-haters...
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Takes two to tango.




Yeah, and both should decide... before.
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Then stiffen penalties for deadbeat fathers. Incarceration at minimum.

Now women are forced to have children and males can buy their way out with the state sponsored mechanism of child support.

#patriarchy


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No matter how you look at it... the time to decide is before the woman gets pregnant. It's the responsibility of both "partakers".
Any discussion of whether or not to be pregnant, AFTER the woman is pregnant, is just trying to justify lack of forethought.

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Dec 3 2021 11:43am
Like a reversal will stop abortions..
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No matter how you look at it... the time to decide is before the woman gets pregnant. It's the responsibility of both "partakers".
Any discussion of whether or not to be pregnant, AFTER the woman is pregnant, is just trying to justify lack of forethought.


These issues disappear in a society without premarital sex and divorce.

edit: which we once had.

This post was edited by sirthom on Dec 3 2021 11:44am
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Dec 3 2021 11:45am
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Yeah, and both should decide... before.


Yes they should but ultimately that does not always happen. So we work in reality.

Your post clearly was clearly insuiting it was the purely the females fault for getting pregnant.
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Dec 3 2021 11:46am
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Are you or aren't you terrified of the female pen*s?


I find it aesthetically unappealing. It would also be hard to have children.
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Dec 3 2021 11:56am
Quote (Santara @ Dec 3 2021 07:11pm)
Conception is the only logical point that a new entity has been created.


Why though? A fetus of 20 weeks or less, when born prematurely, is never viable. They cannot survive outside the uterus. Im genuinely curious as to why do you see personhood being applicable such an entity?
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Yes they should but ultimately that does not always happen. So we work in reality.

Your post clearly was clearly insuiting it was the purely the females fault for getting pregnant.




I was not blaming anyone for "getting pregnant".

I was saying what I said... any logic that says you can decide after... is not realistic, and is... stoooooopid.

I just jumped off of a cliff. Now where's that do-over card I had.



Any argument FOR abortion is an argument for abdicating responsibility.
It's not like you can just walk down the street and poof you're pregnant. LOL

This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 3 2021 12:07pm
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