Didn't answer the question.

We have Trump's campaign directly colluding with Russia. Only thing we don't have is Trump on a call saying "Yes, I will give you X for Y". But you'd have to be pretty dumb, or think pretty lowly of Trump, to think he had no idea this was going on.

I hope you live on the west coast. If you do not, please move there and stay there with all the other morons. You have truly warmed my heart tonight this is hilarious

Sounds like another case where I state facts and you get all triggered and insist I'm wrong without backing it up.

If we want to call Kilimnik a Russian intelligence operative, we're going to need to iron out when exactly he became a Russian intelligence operative. Are we saying that he was considered an intelligence operative at the same time that the United States was paying his salary at the IRI? That sounds absurd. He left the IRI to work for Manafort's Ukrainian consulting business, lobbying on behalf of various Ukrainian oligarchs. At what point did he stop being Kilimnik, political consultant and become Kilimnik, intelligence operative?

These labels are important. Relationships in Russia are intensely personal, anyone tangentially related to government work is going to rub shoulders with oligarchs who are in some way connected to Putin, because all Russian business is in some way connected to Putin. Steele's dossier is living proof of that, being a product of Russian disinfo itself. That does make Kilimnik a security threat, he is clearly not a trustworthy recipient of information. It doesn't make him a Russian spy, and it's certainly not evidence of a conspiracy between Manafort and the Russian government.

Manafort's motives appear relatively clear, he was interested in promoting his work to potential clients, some of whom he believed owed him money. He's a professional political grifter in that arena, his clients stopped asking for his services, he wanted to fill the pipeline for future work after Trump. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is Manafort using Kilimnik to sneak Putin a few pages of polling data, the vast majority of which was public. Russian intelligence has better connections, and we know that because Obama was being briefed on the fact that Russian intelligence was allegedly aware that Clinton was trying to tie Trump to Russia.



Mueller specifically investigated whether there was a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. The answer is no. Turn of Maddow and join us in the real world.



Yo.

Manafort committed crimes for which he was successfully prosecuted. Why wouldn't he be deleting conversations and obstructing the investigation? That sounds like eminently reasonable behavior.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Nov 6 2021 12:41am

that user actually thinks trump hacked the 2016 election.

that user is also indebted to the US taxpayer for hundreds of thousands of dollars, doesnt pay its bills, didnt finish its taxpayer-funded education, “works” on the taxpayer dime, and openly refuses to repay its obligations
. all while being born with pale pasty lefty privilege


he “helped trump hack the election, and obama and biden didnt stop it”.

per the lefties of course

This post was edited by excellence on Nov 6 2021 12:44am

What do you mean he represents black power

I figured he was a bum before you said any of that. Most people who defend leftist ideology are all about free shit and government programs. The rest of them are living comfortably in their own situation where these horrible policies don’t immediately effect them.

I earn everything I have and am damn proud of it. The democrats want to get everybody who isn’t rich to be dependent on them for basic necessities.

This goes back to the original topic of the whole “down with trump” bullshit because he wanted to back away from all of this big government crap and let us regular Americans live our lives the way we want to. Has nothing to do with race, wealth, none of that bullshit they constantly throw in our faces. Means to an end. That is it.

See, this is how I know you're dishonest. Because I've personally corrected you on this specific point more than once.

Mueller fundamentally did not say "no" in his report. The methodology he was employing explicitly excluded saying "yes", but still allowed "no" or "Maybe, refer to congress". He did not say no, he specifically referred to congress.

You are a liar, and have been for years now, and this is just one example.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 6 2021 01:08am

What do you do for a living, if I may ask?

My title is Research Laboratory Supervisor, but my job would be best described as 50% research scientist and 50% lab manager.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 6 2021 01:11am

Interesting