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Oct 26 2021 07:51pm
Quote (LoverManGenius @ Oct 26 2021 08:49pm)
I took the time to explain in detail that suspicion needs to be reasonable and that if a police officer has detained you, they 99.9% of the time have a very good reason to think you're up to something you should not be doing.


and when I said "They didn't in this case" you said you don't think the constitution should apply to people you don't like. If you think the police officer acted appropriately here then you think people should be able to be detained for legal speach because the officer says "I'm suspicious of you".

Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 26 2021 08:49pm)
But out on the street is where the police carry out their duties. So in a sense it is similar to a court house.


There is no "in a sense" here. If you want to severely restrict rights you have to have a very good reason to do it and it has to be specificly tailored to the situation. So in a court room only. "On the street" is way too broad to ever stand up to scrutiny.
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Oct 26 2021 07:53pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 27 2021 04:51am)
and when I said "They didn't in this case" you said you don't think the constitution should apply to people you don't like. If you think the police officer acted appropriately here then you think people should be able to be detained for legal speach because the officer says "I'm suspicious of you".



There is no "in a sense" here. If you want to severely restrict rights you have to have a very good reason to do it and it has to be specificly tailored to the situation. So in a court room only. "On the street" is way too broad to ever stand up to scrutiny.


try learning elections have consequences

maybe it will spare you the verball pissing-yourself on jsp in the future
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 26 2021 07:51pm)
and when I said "They didn't in this case" you said you don't think the constitution should apply to people you don't like. If you think the police officer acted appropriately here then you think people should be able to be detained for legal speach because the officer says "I'm suspicious of you".



And I said that I can't speak to this case, because I did not watch the entire video. I didn't have to watch it to know that my opinion was not going to change - since if the cops were in the wrong, a court of law very likely would have properly dealt with it.

Does this happen all of the time? Of course not. Sometimes even judges are corrupt, but as it stands right now - the system works incredibly well and I'll stand by it until that changes.

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 26 2021 06:51pm)

There is no "in a sense" here. If you want to severely restrict rights you have to have a very good reason to do it and it has to be specificly tailored to the situation. So in a court room only. "On the street" is way too broad to ever stand up to scrutiny.

You are right to some extent.

However, let's say in situations where the po-po pulls someone over, he 1. probably has very good reason for doing so and 2. being pulled over is not having one's rights "severely restricted".

Note I am not talking about the particular case in the OP. I am talking in a general sense.
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Oct 26 2021 07:57pm
What the hell have you people done? You got me agreeing with netflix.













My whole world is upside down. Feel dizzy...need to sit down. :wacko:

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 26 2021 09:36pm)
Two kids flip off police officer.

Officer pulls over and detains them. Says they are "wandering around randomly" and that's grounds for detainment.

It isn't, and flipping off a police officer is protected speech, and there are no loitering laws they are breaking.

Police are getting sued for abusing their power.


Bleep acts like a bleep and gets arrested for disorderly conduct.

*sigh*
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Oct 26 2021 08:01pm
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What the hell have you people done? You got me agreeing with netflix.


unnecessary, that moron voted for the thing he cries about and it will be a celebration when his own bidding will manifest itself in a form of a police knee on his neck
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Oct 26 2021 08:04pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 26 2021 08:59pm)
Bleep acts like a bleep and gets arrested for disorderly conduct.

*sigh*


What does bleep stand for?

Quote (sirthom @ Oct 26 2021 08:57pm)
What the hell have you people done? You got me agreeing with netflix.

My whole world is upside down. Feel dizzy...need to sit down. :wacko:


I'm an incredibly reasonable person once you stop being triggered and actually listen to my opinions.

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Oct 26 2021 08:06pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 27 2021 05:04am)
What does bleep stand for?


blue no matter who voter who brought authoritarianism on himself
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Oct 26 2021 08:07pm
I watched bits of the video, didn't watch the whole thing in its entirety, and my understanding is that some kid flipped an officer the bird, and the officer detained him on some flimsy grounds. If this is all there is to it, then I have to agree that the police officer had overstepped his bounds. However, I have to allow for the possibility that maybe he truly thought there was something suspicious that the kid was getting up to. For one thing, for someone to exhibit hostility towards cops like the kid did, almost immediately this will place you on the officer's radar. Case in point: if you stand around on a street corner in a high-crime area and you in addition, eye cops with animosity, well guess what, the cops are going to be very wary of you. And the slightest move from you is likely to be perceived as a threat by the officers in question.

Also, the kid was being stupid. One does NOT disrespect an authority figure like that. Not when said authority figure carries a gun and has the ability to ruin your day.
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