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Sep 5 2021 02:58pm
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Congratulations, you just guaranteed the death of at least 6 million people and everybody who happens to get sick or injured from something else during that time, and made everybody who experiences severe symptoms experience them all at the same time which grinds the whole economy to a stop instead of just hospitality.

Herd immunity by infection will always be the least efficient method of beating a disease by every single metric.


You have no real way of telling how many people would actually die from this. So nice made up number coming from the person who keeps preaching about scientific conclusions.

Also plenty of people will die anyway. People are catching the virus even after being vaccinated. They've come out and admitted the early tests couldn't tell the difference between influenzas and covid.

So people die of the flu every year, just as their dying of covid who really knows which their dying of if the tests couldn't tell the difference.

Atleast with the herd immunity idea, the spread stops, it isn't allowed to mutate like it has into 3 different variants or how many ever they claim to have found now.

I know it sounds heartless but these vaccines don't seem to be doing the job.

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I'm not trying to be argumentative with you here, but I'll share my 2 cents:

Why doesn't a government want its citizens to die? Gov't could be incentivized to prevent that for any number of reasons. Could be so that you'll pay your taxes, vote, so they more able bodied citizens to fight against their adversaries, etc etc. What incentive do governments have letting its citizens die to a disease that kills you regardless of your political affiliation, religion, skin color, and so on?


Not sure what you are saying. Are you agreeing with me that governments don't really care about us other than as useful taxpayers and possible foot-soldiers to fight wars for them? If yes then I agree with you. But this doesn't mean they care about us dying though. If we die, they can always get more stock from elsewhere.

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It seems like your reasoning is 90% distrust of the government, 10% health based reasons. COVID also has long term side effects - it can damage the lungs, heart and brain, which increases the risk of long-term health problems. You're basically accepting the risk of the long term health effects of COVID (should you get it) versus the "mostly understood" side effects of a vaccine that has already been taken by millions of people globally.


These Covid side effects and vaccine side effects can only be properly interpreted by trained scientists. We as laypeople simply do not know anything. And when these things are reported in the major news-sources the world over which are owned by a tiny handful of billionaires, who are in turn on very good terms of the governments of the world, then you will need to excuse my deep sense of distrust in them.

Yes I am what people would call a "conspiracy theorist". But I wear it like a badge.
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Sep 5 2021 03:00pm
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Not sure what you are saying. Are you agreeing with me that governments don't really care about us other than as useful taxpayers and possible foot-soldiers to fight wars for them? If yes then I agree with you. But this doesn't mean they care about us dying though. If we die, they can always get more stock from elsewhere.



These Covid side effects and vaccine side effects can only be properly interpreted by trained scientists. We as laypeople simply do not know anything. And when these things are reported in the major news-sources the world over which are owned by a tiny handful of billionaires, who are in turn on very good terms of the governments of the world, then you will need to excuse my deep sense of distrust in them.

Yes I am what people would call a "conspiracy theorist". But I wear it like a badge.


Can we implement a moratorium on spending time replying to other posts until you can share the sources you have for the vaccines 're-writing DNA sequences and causing infertility'?
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Sep 5 2021 03:01pm
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You have no real way of telling how many people would actually die from this. So nice made up number coming from the person who keeps preaching about scientific conclusions.

Also plenty of people will die anyway. People are catching the virus even after being vaccinated. They've come out and admitted the early tests couldn't tell the difference between influenzas and covid.

So people die of the flu every year, just as their dying of covid who really knows which their dying of if the tests couldn't tell the difference.


Good point, sir.

Here in my country, our government has bee overstating covid deaths. If someone got covid, didn't die, but he got hit by a truck and died, they chalk that up to covid death. This is beyond stupid, this is an instance of deceit.


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Atleast with the herd immunity idea, the spread stops, it isn't allowed to mutate like it has into 3 different variants or how many ever they claim to have found now.

I know it sounds heartless but these vaccines don't seem to be doing the job.


Good point. I forgot that viruses mutate. Another reason against taking the vaccines. Who wants to have to keep taking vaccines indefinitely?

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Sep 5 2021 03:03pm
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Can we implement a moratorium on spending time replying to other posts until you can share the sources you have for the vaccines 're-writing DNA sequences and causing infertility'?


You think you "got" me now, didn't you?

And no, there is no need for your stupid moratorium. Just because the discussion is not going in a direction you would like, it doesn't mean it needs to be halted just to suit you.

Keep stomping your feet though. Btw, no links for you. Ha-ha!
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Sep 5 2021 03:05pm
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You think you "got" me now, didn't you?

And no, there is no need for your stupid moratorium. Just because the discussion is not going in a direction you would like, it doesn't mean it needs to be halted just to suit you.

Keep stomping your feet though. Btw, no links for you. Ha-ha!


I'm not sure how you're perceiving this as a 'gotcha'. You made a claim--a quite serious one, and I'm merely asking you to provide the sources that you said you'd have no problem finding and sharing.
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Sep 5 2021 03:06pm
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I'm not sure how you're perceiving this as a 'gotcha'. You made a claim--a quite serious one, and I'm merely asking you to provide the sources that you said you'd have no problem finding and sharing.


Right, and if I fail to provide the sources, that means there needs to be a moratorium on posting?

Its fine to ask for sources but what you did was beyond that.
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Sep 5 2021 03:08pm
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Right, and if I fail to provide the sources, that means there needs to be a moratorium on posting?

Its fine to ask for sources but what you did was beyond that.


I just feel that despite saying that we should give you a couple minutes to find the sources, that the trajectory seemed to be that you'd just not share those sources, continue to reply to other posts, and then not actually end up sharing them.
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Sep 5 2021 03:11pm
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I just feel that despite saying that we should give you a couple minutes to find the sources, that the trajectory seemed to be that you'd just not share those sources, continue to reply to other posts, and then not actually end up sharing them.


Of course, I am morally and legally compelled to provide those sources to satisfy you. And not only that, if I fail to deliver the goods, MORATORIUM ON POSTIN!!!!! Right?

No, seriously. Please tell me who you think you are.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Sep 5 2021 03:11pm
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Sep 5 2021 03:12pm
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Of course, I am morally and legally compelled to provide those sources to satisfy you. And not only that, if I fail to deliver the goods, MORATORIUM ON POSTIN!!!!! Right?

No, seriously. Please tell me who you think you are.


I think you're overreacting to what was clearly a facetious use of the word 'moratorium'. Can you provide your sources?
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