Murder is the illegal and premeditated killing of one person by another. Not just a killing.

If a woman gets to decide is a value judgement, and one I disagree with you on.

That's not a good enough definition. It is designed in a way to purposefully leave out the unborn.

The definition I personally use is, "the deliberate killing of one live human by another human". Feel free to disagree though.


Why do you disagree with it?

If you are using a personal definition then prepare for people who are relying on accepted definitions from common sources to disagree with you.

Google: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
18 US Code 1111 - Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.
Wikipedia - Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse, especially the unlawful killing of another human with malice aforethought.

These definition isn't constructed to leave out abortion. It is simply that abortion does not fall under that definition.



I already told you why I disagree. I think the most fundamental right we have is the right to bodily autonomy. That's an opinion. It's fine if you disagree with it, but understand that it is a value statement and not something that can be objectively proven.

I see. So what you are telling me is that you are incapable of thinking independently. You take someone else' definition, and think it's gospel. You don't use your neo-cortex (if it exists) to decide for yourself whether it is an adequate one.



I just don't get why you think bodily autonomy should trump right to life, in your la-la land. Normal people (you aren't one of them) know that in the West, the foremost of all the rights humans enjoy, is the right to life. I know I can't truly prove this, but this isn't a value judgment. Nor is it a mere personal opinion on my part. I am sure that if you were reasonable (which I know you aren't), you would agree with me.

Definitions aren't a matter of right or wrong. They are convention that helps us communicate. If you are going to make claims like "it is designed in a way to purposefully leave out the unborn" then I'm going to point out the legal definition and say you made a stupid statement.

It is absolutely an opinion. There is no ambiguity on this issue. It is your personal opinion. Others might share your opinion, but it is still an opinion. Here's a fun example. In the west, the right to property trumps the right to life. If my child is diabetic and is going to die from lack of insulin that doesn't give me the right to rob the store to get him insulin.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 5 2021 11:56pm

It's ok that you are incapable of judging for yourself whether a definition is adequate or not. Note I didn't say it's wrong. I say it's inadequate. Yes definitions are conventions but that doesn't mean we can't think about them critically to see if they are good enough to be applied.

You said murder is premeditated, unlawful killing of one person by another person. I will simply ask you, why does the entity being killed need to be a person? Why can't it simply be another human? And please don't just point to the law or google and say, "that's what they told me!!" I want you to think hard about why you accept these definitions but you won't accept mine.

And why does it have to be unlawful? Soldiers killing enemy combatants is not unlawful, but what they are doing is still murder. They are just not being legally punished for it. But if you ask any normal person, they will tell you that what they do amounts to murder. Same with political assassinations. Assassins aren't punished legally but most people would say what they do is also technically murder.



No it doesn't. You are making shit up.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Sep 6 2021 12:35am

NPR is gay

a lawmaker, hence the title of the thread

LOL

This is basically saying "I want you all to believe my lies and whims."

TIL: the vast majority of modern western nations granting women a fundamental right makes them "la-la land", while religiously motivated, sharia style backwards legislation is "normal" to you, lol.