Quote (Skinned @ Jul 15 2021 07:40am)

Why is Andrew Jackson being taken off the twenty then?

And you super buy into the mythology. They were a diverse group of men with complicated lives and there is no way to know what kind of men they were.

We know some of them raped their slaves and sold their children, which is objectively evil of you buy into morality at all.

I'm not such a cultural relativist. John Brown was a better Founding Father than some, in his ineffective bipolar attempt to end slavery.

White men of the Confederacy literally considered themselves pharaohs, including incestuous relationships. Yes I get they were products of their time but there were also plenty of normal people there who did not rape people or have slaves.

People get angry at the suggestion that white men are not the heroes of history and bitch about a decades old academic theory that tucker told them about lol. I tend to my garden and come here to piss in the wind sometimes. Sometimes I piss all over an electric fence.

John Adams was a good man, and he did most of the work writing the Constitution as the US Constitution is based off the Constitution he wrote for his state. Jefferson? I dunno.

Quote (thesnipa @ 15 Jul 2021 08:56)

Andrew Jackson wasn't a founding father, he was a minor war "hero" of the revolution, not at all a political figure during the founding era. And he was objectively a piece of shit who never should have gotten on the 20$ bill to begin with. Good Riddance.

Franklin was probably a kiddie toucher. Hamilton was undoubtedly an asshole. Jefferson was likely a pompous man. Washington was a hero. John Adams seems like a good guy. But overall few were flawed to the point of not being good men.

Quote (excellence @ Jul 15 2021 08:49am)

also the idea of “fixing racism” by taking off Jackson on the $20 or capitalizing Black and pronouns in profile is just a head scratcher
no harm no foul of course; it’s just slacktivism at its finest. incremental steps sure but just more of a means for the racists to feel better about themselves than actually helping people in need. most of these types never lifted a soup ladle or cleaned up trash in or helped fix up a downtrodden neighborhood, provided counsel or resources to underprivileged people etc.

*IM HELPING* no youre not lmao

Quote (excellence @ Jul 15 2021 09:49am)

also the idea of “fixing racism” by taking off Jackson on the $20 or capitalizing Black and pronouns in profile is just a head scratcher
no harm no foul of course; it’s just slacktivism at its finest. incremental steps sure but just more of a means for the racists to feel better about themselves than actually helping people in need. most of these types never lifted a soup ladle or cleaned up trash in or helped fix up a downtrodden neighborhood, provided counsel or resources to underprivileged people etc.

*IM HELPING* no youre not lmao

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 15 2021 09:10am)

Its an extension of the "if i see people that look like me on stuff then i can be successful". im sure there's a grain of truth to it, like a young black man seeing a black doctor, but SJW crowd seems to think it's a very powerful thing rather than a fringe effect.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 15 2021 09:21am)

Representation matters. Kids grow up seeing nobody that looks like them in positions of prestige or power and draw the obvious conclusion that they aren't welcome in those arenas.

Were lucky that all media and the political system itself was designed around putting people like us in those positions so it doesnt occur immediately what it might have been like to not see that.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 15 2021 09:20am)

Yeah I don't care about any of that stuff. I like Andrew Jackson but I've accepted the soldier ethos at one point and recognize a great warlord when I see one. I'm judging by a different metric than "be nice".

Dude conquered Florida unilaterally from the Spanish, kill its governors, said welcome to America. Battle of NOLA was badass.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 15 2021 09:50am)

and there's grey area between "it matters" and "lets make each cast have one of each race, each commercial have one of each race, and let's put in real world quotas to make the real world match until hollywood inspires enough people of each race to be diverse enough". as with all things it goes from direly needed, to well done, to over done. i think we're nearing the overdone arena in a lot of things.

and i think not enough emphasis is put on stories like "i never saw someone that looks like me doing it and i wanted to be the first" because that's a real motivation as well and if highlighted could inspire more.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jul 15 2021 10:48am)

What you're describing is tokenism and it's roundly criticized on the left

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 15 2021 10:50am)

and there's grey area between "it matters" and "lets make each cast have one of each race, each commercial have one of each race, and let's put in real world quotas to make the real world match until hollywood inspires enough people of each race to be diverse enough". as with all things it goes from direly needed, to well done, to over done. i think we're nearing the overdone arena in a lot of things.

and i think not enough emphasis is put on stories like "i never saw someone that looks like me doing it and i wanted to be the first" because that's a real motivation as well and if highlighted could inspire more.



Andrew Jackson was objectively a piece of human filth. He illegaly annexed Florida, won NOLA by breaking the conventions of war, enacted the Trail of Tears, and carried a stick around he'd hit people with for almost no reason. the country would be a better place if he lost one of his many duels or if the log cabin he was shit from his mother in caused him to be infected at an early age. Dude is solidly on the F tier of my potus list, even below ineffectual potuses leading to the civil war and cuckster peanut jocky Carter.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 14 2021 02:14pm)

A large chunk of these "massive, democracy-undermining" restrictions are just a rollback of the expansion of voting rights which took place during the pandemic. Covid gave Democrats cover to change voting rules in a way that benefitted them, and now they're calling it an "assault on democracy" when Republicans try to go back to the status quo ante.

I would agree with them if their criticism was actually focused on the parts of the Republican bills which go back further than the old status quo, like the stuff with handing water to voter queues in Georgia, but they decry even really benign stuff which only brings us back to where we left off in 2019 as 'undemocratic'. :rolleyes: