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Jun 7 2021 12:33am
Capitalism is theft.
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Jun 7 2021 12:58am
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 6 2021 08:42pm)
Perhaps I conflated your response with another's that had far less merit. I apologize if I did - I can't remember.

Social Support isn't a bad thing. There is a time and a (temporary) place for it. Career Social Support is the only problem I have and we know that happens exponentially more often than should ever have been acceptable in the first place.

Quoting for a question: "I also think that your anecdotal experience of your own life, as valid as it is, does not translate to a universal experience in terms of what is practical or possible for people."

Definitely appreciate the respect, but I do have a counter-question for that -- what terms are you speaking of that make it impractical or impossible for people to also strive for the same goals? I mean, the truth is, there are men who have done 20 years in prison and are now financial successes and there are women who gave birth at 14 and have rewarding careers and families. What bigger obstacles exist than these in terms of severe blockades to personal success (that do not include extenuating circumstances that are not the norm such as unfortunate disability)?

/edit - I need to add to the last piece. Well, we have the technology to automate every single one of those jobs already (my mother's house gets vacuumed by a robot) and specific to a call center, many more than you think, because when it's with a large,reputable company, there is room for growth if you're willing to put in the effort.

What if instead, we found a way to invest in those people who want to work hard to achieve better so that way we no longer have to label them as people "we need to do those jobs"? I bet they'd find far more fulfillment in life via this route than wiping up the turds of others or bearing the brunt of the most grueling parts of harvesting the avocados for certain people's $6 toast for 8 hours a day.


There's not enough quality jobs at the tail-end of aspiration to meet the needs of every individual. Again, capitalism necessitates that people comprise the lowest rung of the economic ladder--at least up to the point that it is profitable to do so. Automation is certainly already having an impact on this dynamic and the sooner we become proactive about this the better. As it currently stands, we are at a transitional period though and will be so for several decades, so there's many unfulfilling full-time jobs out there that need to be filled. Those who fill them during this transition should earn enough to meet their basic needs, and anything less than that is compoundingly exploitative.

If everyone currently in those kinds of jobs attempted to follow your anecdotal experience and replicate it for themselves all at the same time, what do you think would happen?
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Jun 7 2021 05:19am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 7 2021 04:29am)
The United States has also massively drained the resources of the third world to support its productivity, and is the largest driver in Cuba being economically stagnant.

Capitalism is really good at creating material output. Basically, in mass production. However, in many ways it actively stifles other endeavors when they aren't profitable.

I'm not attempting to make a blanket condemnation of capitalism lol


cuba is stagnant, because its a system of brutal oppression and the regular dude makes like 10 bucks a month to stand in line for hours for just enough food to not starve

there are a lot of places worse than cuba, but their results compared to the potential are a fucking joke

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Jun 7 2021 05:29am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 7 2021 06:33pm)
Capitalism is theft.


Why don't you post a picture of yourself wet towel normie standing in line waiting to buy bread in glorious venuzuela/cuba/laos.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 6 2021 10:29pm)
The United States has also massively drained the resources of the third world to support its productivity, and is the largest driver in Cuba being economically stagnant.

Capitalism is really good at creating material output. Basically, in mass production. However, in many ways it actively stifles other endeavors when they aren't profitable.

I'm not attempting to make a blanket condemnation of capitalism lol


Cuba is economically stagnant because it embraced an economic system which has an extraordinary track record of suboptimal results. Their economic viability was tied to Soviet subsidies, and the Soviet Union collapsed.

The United States is a resource rich country with an industrious people and a robust legal system which actively promotes commerce. I don't think there's anything wrong with negotiating with Panama for rights to build the Panama canal, or buying up resources from underdeveloped countries overseas. But that is a minor story in the history of American economic success.
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Jun 7 2021 06:45am
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 6 2021 09:23pm)
Alright, well, then what do you believe defines real capitalism?

Sincere question - nothing more. This is a good starting point.


capitalism means keeping the fruits of your labor. not being crushed by taxtakers. man is corrupt so no system works for long and why all through out time every nation collapses.
if man was not corrupt ?any? form of government would succeed.

if a person works hard and the taxtakers steal it whats the point?

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Jun 7 2021 08:22am
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 7 2021 02:07am)
But, how am I behaving as if I am devoid of any responsibility - fair question? Would you not call any of this a display of personal responsibility? If not, why not?

Also, you didn't even ask me where I began after starting to pull myself out of the crater? To give context, I will share by default:

I began in a call center taking mindless phone calls where I repeated the same script over, and over (and over) for 8 and a half hours a day. They hired anyone and there were 22 people in my original training class. one still remains with the company to date and moved up in her career path as I did (an idea of the turnover/fire rate).

I had no skills, no direction, no fancy, parent funded degree and I needed a job because I had 2 kids, so I took this job that paid less than $23,000 a year. I spent almost 4 years (and minimal raises - I think I barely broke 30 at my highest) in that role learning as much as I could and connecting with as many people as I could. My first promotion I had to apply and interview five times before actually getting it (I was passed up 4 prior).

There is no"I can't" (I mean within reason, we will always "can't" fly by flapping our arms, but that's different), there is "I don't want to" and "I don't feel like putting in that much effort". Neither will honestly never be a justification of expansion of social safety nets that are given away for free at any point. Like I said in my most recent response - at face value, that economic model is not viable long-term in any conclusiary outcome in the realm of possibility.

Do know - none of this is intended to be hostile, but, what I believe is going to be very difficult to change having lived through what I have and being able to take a few seconds every now and then and step back and realize where I made it to today (and I can say the same thing about one of my friends who is black that I used to run with back in the day - he's actually a nurse now on his own merits and got 2 years of schooling for free by working in that same call center i mentioned above - first homeowner in his family ever and I'm damn proud of him).

Everyone can change their "stars" - so to speak


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There is no"I can't", there is "I don't want to" and "I don't feel like putting in that much effort".


That's an interesting opinion.
Sadly, I do not agree.

We know there are cultural groups. So this means that the brain can be shaped in depth. Some people have similar opinions.

Try to draw like Stephen Wiltshire. Try to memorize like Kim Peek. Try to calculate like Rudy Gergam. Try to lift 150 Kg like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

You can not. The human body and the human spirit are capable of many things, but they need to be prepared to accomplish these things.

This is why it is fundamental to have charity.

One of the greatest scientific creations is the theory of relativity, and it was not created by a capitalist. So, a little humility.

The Americans spied on Dassault's work. So a little humility. By the Americans' own admission, America does not have a monopoly on intelligence and innovative creation.

Could Albert Einstein's father have created the theory of relativity? No.

But he was able to educate and instruct his son Albert. He offered him all the elements necessary for him to become a genius.

Capitalism is a system where people survive and are constantly exhausted.

All this to say that some things are impossible for some of us.

Ask Albert Einstein to work in a telephone call center. Maybe he would have done a terrible job. It doesn't mean he doesn't "want to", it just means he's designed to do something else.

Every human has to do a job that suits them. The problem is that some people are suited for almost no job. Society has always looked down on artists.

Capitalism is a system that boycots artists and people with different talents.

Capitalism is a system that prevents progress and discovery.

It's quite ironic since Americans love discovery.

Obviously, when you kill all the original and different people, there is nothing left to discover.

Americans are daleks. They love the purity of productivity and they eliminate all those that are under-productive. Capitalists are daleks.

This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Jun 7 2021 08:50am
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Jun 7 2021 08:24am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 7 2021 07:34am)
. But that is a minor story in the history of American economic success.


Bullshit lol

Its been a central part of our success and when a country has tried to break away we've destabilized them and installed a friendly leader.
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Jun 7 2021 08:28am
Quote (Djunior @ Jun 6 2021 02:55am)
I guess you are ready to move to Venezuela so you can enjoy your socialism hmm?

Make sure to watch this before you take the plunge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7mK3dYOLw


Why not post Stockholm or Helsinki?

You guys are so dishonest lol.
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Jun 7 2021 08:29am
Muscles can develop throughout life, but the brain cannot.
If you haven't developed your temporal lobe like Kim Peek, you'll never be able to remember half of the things he does.

If you haven't developed your occipital lobe like Stephen Wiltshire, you will NEVER be able to draw 10% of the things he draws.

Unlike muscles, the brain only develops until adulthood.

This post was edited by Chevaucheur on Jun 7 2021 08:30am
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