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Apr 6 2021 01:07pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 6 2021 02:03pm)
and your argument for a contradiction rests on their validity.

what scripture or other source leads you to believe they are valid conclusions? or what train of logic?

"well if a god is all powerful why would he feel pain" is an assumption, and doesnt even account for physical versus spiritual pain, hell being spiritual.


I never argued he did not feel pain. You are clearly not reading my posts for comprehension dude.

I very clearly stated my position. That even if he did feel pain, to an infinite and all powerful being it is by definition impossible to feel a significant amount of pain. Doesn't matter if you label it physical, spiritual, or anything else. God's still in control, still has a perfect understanding, and has an infinite capacity for any kind of pain. It's impossible for a being like that to ever make a non-trivial sacrifice.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 11:53am)
An innocent man has a finite life span. God does not.

A God cannot be tortured, no matter what form it takes. A God who incarnates into a mortal form feeling mortal pain is not feeling pain the same way we are. We are finite beings with only our bodies as reference. A God taking this form is still an infinite being with an infinite pain capacity.

So God did not lose anything, because Jesus is God. You can't lose yourself.
God did not feel a meaningful pain, since that's impossible for a deity
God did not spend a meaningful amount of time as a mortal or in hell, since a finite amount of time against an infinite existence is always insignificant.


Christ did feel meaningful pain, the flesh was the medium to feel that.
The flesh was intended and can house the spirit of god or essence of God, the earthen platform was designed as punishment for disobedience but with capacity for redemption through God's assessment of man's choice that are from within (the imaginations of the heart)

Youre forgetting to apply human-like attributes to God aswell since god made man in his own image and that the earthen flesh is subject to torture and that it is not good to have this done by forces that seek to do harm. God also rests and mourned his creation of man when man chose evil moreoever (1st flood).

God can loose things because he gave man choice that is to say God chose to start a family and with it accept responsibility for those choices that could also affect GOD.
THis is why all should LOVE YHWH even more because of the hardship and sacrifice so we all could have feeling, love, happiness and bask in that glory.

Every Lie, reviling word against the truth is a disgrace to this free gift even in earthen life.

There is a "god" that fulfills your interpretation - that is a "god" that has grown numb from abandoning YHWH and that force is satan.

TLDR: Thanks to God's choice a person may have choice

This post was edited by lodd222 on Apr 6 2021 01:36pm
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Quote (Jesus_Lives @ Apr 6 2021 02:04pm)
I never said that He did not understand pain. I’m just pointing out the stupidity of believing that Jesus died and went to hell to understand pain. The fact that God fully understood pain before he sent Jesus to be tortured and go to Hell only elevates the love involved. You are the only basis for your assumptions. You’ve given zero Biblical references for anything that you believe. You have no spiritual discernment nor authority of any kind.
If you do not even understand that Jesus is God and died as the propitiation for our sins in order for us to escape the penalty of our sins, then you are still spiritually dead in your sins and do not have the Holy Spirit and therefore are in capable of understanding spiritual matters.


This post is just a straw-man. Go back and read my posts again and we can keep talking.
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Christ did feel meaningful pain, the flesh was the medium to feel that.
The flesh was intended and can house the spirit of god or essence of God, the earthen platform was designed as punishment for disobedience but wirh capacity for redemption through God's assessment of man's choice that are from within (the imaginationa of the heart)

Your forgetting to apply human-like attributes to God aswell since god made man in his own image and that the earthen flesh is subject to torture and that it is not good to have this done by forces that seek to do harm. God also rests and mourned his creation of man when man chose evil moreoever (1st flood).

God can loose things because he gave man choice that is to say God chose to start a family and with it accept responsibility for those choices that could also affect GOD.
THis is why all should LOVE YHWH even more because of the hardship and sacrifice so we all could have feeling, love, happiness and bask in that glory.

Every Lie, reviling word against the truth is a disgrace to this free gift even in earthen life.

There is a "god" that fulfills your interpretation - that is a "god" that has grown numb from abandoning YHWH and that force is satan.


Why are you differentiating between god and jesus?

I think all this stuff is the result of the bicarmel mind in early humanity.

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Apr 6 2021 01:10pm
God went through what a God went through for our sakes is proof of love.
even if one wants to say he just gave up a weekend. What kind of person would think a God should give more than that any way?
any other god would of flushed it all.
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Apr 6 2021 01:11pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 02:08pm)
This post is just a straw-man. Go back and read my posts again and we can keep talking.



If it’s a straw man show me the biblical references for your assertions.
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God went through what a God went through for our sakes is proof of love.
even if one wants to say he just gave up a weekend. What kind of person would think a God should give more than that any way?
any other god would of flushed it all.


So there are other gods?

Quote (Jesus_Lives @ Apr 6 2021 02:11pm)
If it’s a straw man show me the biblical references for your assertions.


Do you not know what a straw-man is :huh:

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Apr 6 2021 01:12pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 6 2021 12:08pm)
Why are you differentiating between god and jesus?


Family dynamics:

King James Bible
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Not even Jesus Knows the exact moment he will return, only YHWH.
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Apr 6 2021 01:15pm
Quote (Budgeting @ Apr 6 2021 12:06pm)
i made a comment about it, you are the one focused on it.


no one else brings up Jesus race but you.
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Apr 6 2021 01:17pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 6 2021 02:07pm)
I never argued he did not feel pain. You are clearly not reading my posts for comprehension dude.

I very clearly stated my position. That even if he did feel pain, to an infinite and all powerful being it is by definition impossible to feel a significant amount of pain. Doesn't matter if you label it physical, spiritual, or anything else. God's still in control, still has a perfect understanding, and has an infinite capacity for any kind of pain. It's impossible for a being like that to ever make a non-trivial sacrifice.


that's simply another assumption.

you're assuming "time" in hell exists. whereas is possible, imo even more likely, that hell is in itself an eternity. that going there transcends time. that jesus "life" before his birth on earth, his "life" in heaven after he was resurrected, etc are just simple eternities that run parallel to his eternity in hell. yes, 3 days on earth, but in hell?

this is why from the jump i chose to ask what i did. u havent given a convincing answer for why hell is anything but infinity.

in other words, god went to hell through jesus and experienced the infinity that was hell. his resurrection doesnt wipe away this pain, nor do you have any solid logic that ive seen to suggest his "time" there was painless.
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